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Re: 1840 Mystery - Joseph DARLING and siblings
« Reply #9 on: Sunday 12 February 17 18:03 GMT (UK) »
Eleanor was a widow.

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Re: 1840 Mystery - Joseph DARLING and siblings
« Reply #10 on: Sunday 12 February 17 18:14 GMT (UK) »
Is this your Joseph  :-\
Joseph Darling
Father Ambross Darling mother Sarah
Baptised    20 Feb 1770 - Stamford Baron, Northamptonshire

ADDED also a George baptised 20 Mar 1769

Sorry I hadn't read that far down your post  ;D

Sorry just looked again but the original this time  ::)  Both baptised March 20 1770

When I looked before I did not see the 2nd entry for George and assumed there had been a death of between the 2 Joseph baptisms though I could not see one. 
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Re: 1840 Mystery - Joseph DARLING and siblings
« Reply #11 on: Sunday 12 February 17 18:22 GMT (UK) »
Hi Jennifer c

I suspect Simon is the one bap Thurleigh 1780 to J (decd) & Elizabeth.  J was probably John, they also had an Elizabeth (1767).  Father John had been buried the month before Simon was bap.  Another Simon was buried 1766 but whether adult or child I've no idea.  As of yet I've not managed to link the BDF/BKM cluster in with mine but made a point of extracting as many PRs as I could when I lived in the area.

Thanks for the info on Eleanor.  If she was widowed then William might have been older.  I was thinking that William would have been in his 30s by 1795, quite late to be marrying for the first time, but if he was marrying a widow than it's very possible he was a bit older.  I take it you'd have said if William was noted as a widower.  Are there any witnesses or is the image of the banns?

Jane :-)

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Re: 1840 Mystery - Joseph DARLING and siblings
« Reply #12 on: Sunday 12 February 17 18:31 GMT (UK) »
Just butting in.
Tarbigg = Tardebigge
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tardebigge
Warks:Ashford;Cadby;Clarke;Clifford;Cooke Copage;Easthope;
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Staffs.Edmonds;Addison;Duffield;Webb;Fisher;Archer
Salop:Easthope,Eddowes,Hoorde,Oteley,Vernon,Talbot,De Neville.
Notts.Clarke;Redfearne;Treece.
Som.May;Perriman;Cox
India Kane;Felton;Cadby
London.Haysom.
Lancs.Gay.
Worcs.Coley;Mander;Sawyer.
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Re: 1840 Mystery - Joseph DARLING and siblings
« Reply #13 on: Sunday 12 February 17 19:24 GMT (UK) »
Hi Jim1

Butt in all you like with that sort of useful info.

So now we have Worcestershire added in to the mix, albeit on the Warwickshire side of the county.  There was another cluster of DARLINGs in Worcester, but again not (so far) linked to my lot.

The IGI has an 1810 marriage of Joseph Darling and Ann Kimberley at Tardebigg (sic), it might have been the missing Joseph I suppose.  He would have been in his 40s by that time but if he'd spent his life moving around (as is suggestive so far) it would have been pretty difficult to meet someone and settle down.

It almost looks as if Mary settled in her mother's home parish, and Joseph in his father's.  If so, then I'd expect to find William somewhere in Warwick  and George in Tardebigge.  Short straw on Tardebigge but there is an 1840 burial in Warwick of a 77 year old William.  There's an image on A*y.  Obit in Coventry Herald gives his address but no account of funeral - shame.

Jane :-)
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Re: 1840 Mystery - Joseph DARLING and siblings
« Reply #14 on: Sunday 12 February 17 19:38 GMT (UK) »
Removal and Settlement orders

If poverty was the reason the family were split up, removal/settlement orders might exist.  And if Ambrose and Sarah were unable to prove that they were indeed married, then might Sarah have been sent back to her father's parish (Warwick St Mary) and Ambrose to his father's (Tardebigge)?  Their children might have been farmed out to relatives in those parishes.

Is this too far-fetched?
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Re: 1840 Mystery - Joseph DARLING and siblings
« Reply #15 on: Sunday 17 December 17 05:28 GMT (UK) »
So I believe Ambrose Darling was my 5 x Great Grandfather though my fathers maternal line.
The records on A*y seem to show the joint baptism of George and Joseph Darling on 20th March 1770.  Interestingly there is a reference from one of the other members (no citation) to Joseph being born in 1756 in Glinton Northamptonshire about 8 miles from Fotheringhay, which in turn crops up repeatedly throughout successive generations. The marriage of Ambrose and Sarah is 1761. I'm wondering whether this earlier birth date for Joseph is spurious or whether Ambrose and Sarah waited until long after they were married before he was baptised i.e. 1770.  I can't find a birth date for either of Joseph or George and whilst it is commonplace for baptism to be close to birth, I've found plenty of cases where this isn't the case.

Either way, thank you for the lead on Tardebigge.

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Re: 1840 Mystery - Joseph DARLING and siblings
« Reply #16 on: Sunday 17 December 17 13:49 GMT (UK) »
Hi Neithrop_Boy and welcome to Rootschat.

I'd just about forgotten about this post and had to revisit the research I'd done on it.

I think I've found the A*y tree to which you refer.  I suspect the Glinton birthplace comes from Joseph giving that as his abode when he married in 1792.  Freereg has three children born to the couple, the last in 1796.  The 1799 burial doesn't give an age so I can only guess at how the tree owner arrived at a 1756 YoB.  Perhaps it's an estimate based on the age of wife Rebecca.

I don't think you and I are talking about the same Ambrose.  I'm not aware that mine was ever married to a Sarah.  Mine had six children by his first wife Mary in BRK around the time the NTH Ambrose fathered Joseph.  I presume your descent is through the Fotheringhay lines.  Are you saying that your paternal grandmother was a Darling or did your lineage branch off further back?

It's always very gratifying to have contact with anyone researching Darlings pre civil registration.  Repetition of some less than common names suggests that at least some of the disparate clusters may be connected.  If enough of us work our own trees back PROPERLY (as in not just picking the first individual with the right name) and do DNA tests we may eventually be able to piece some of these groups together.  The Joseph in the newspaper article was apparently a coachman.  I wonder if we should be looking at coaching routes.

best wishes
Jane :-)
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Re: 1840 Mystery - Joseph DARLING and siblings
« Reply #17 on: Sunday 17 December 17 22:33 GMT (UK) »
Hi Jane,

In my case, a couple of generations down the line from Ambrose, Rebecca Darling marries Joseph Coulson.  My father's maternal line decends directly from Rebecca and Joseph.

You're right in that it all gets very difficult to track but yes I believe its the Fotheringhay line in my case.

regards,
Stuart