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Re: Help finding the FATHER of my Great grandfather?
« Reply #27 on: Friday 17 February 17 12:36 GMT (UK) »
William describes himself as a hawker....born Nottingham  ???

Well, strictly speaking Ann describes him.  Perhaps she was mistaken as to his birthplace and assumed it was the same as her own (if e.g. they had met in Nottingham).

But for him to go from age 25 in 1909 to 49 two years later would be surprising indeed!
Ayr: Barnes, Wylie
Caithness: MacGregor
Essex: Eldred (Pebmarsh)
Gloucs: Timbrell (Winchcomb)
Hants: Stares (Wickham)
Lincs: Maw, Jackson (Epworth, Belton)
London: Pierce
Suffolk: Markham (Framlingham)
Surrey: Gosling (Richmond)
Wilts: Matthews, Tarrant (Calne, Preshute)
Worcs: Milward (Redditch)
Yorks: Beaumont, Crook, Moore, Styring (Huddersfield); Middleton (Church Fenton); Exley, Gelder (High Hoyland); Barnes, Birchinall (Sheffield); Kenyon, Wood (Cumberworth/Denby Dale)

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Re: Help finding the FATHER of my Great grandfather?
« Reply #28 on: Friday 17 February 17 13:01 GMT (UK) »
I don't know how to do a snip on this device, but to me the signature of William Henry Squires on the 1909 marriage looks a decent match with that on the military document posted upthread.
Ayr: Barnes, Wylie
Caithness: MacGregor
Essex: Eldred (Pebmarsh)
Gloucs: Timbrell (Winchcomb)
Hants: Stares (Wickham)
Lincs: Maw, Jackson (Epworth, Belton)
London: Pierce
Suffolk: Markham (Framlingham)
Surrey: Gosling (Richmond)
Wilts: Matthews, Tarrant (Calne, Preshute)
Worcs: Milward (Redditch)
Yorks: Beaumont, Crook, Moore, Styring (Huddersfield); Middleton (Church Fenton); Exley, Gelder (High Hoyland); Barnes, Birchinall (Sheffield); Kenyon, Wood (Cumberworth/Denby Dale)

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Re: Help finding the FATHER of my Great grandfather?
« Reply #29 on: Friday 17 February 17 13:18 GMT (UK) »
Happy to oblige... :). I'd say a good match as well.
Seeking: baptism Philip Murray 1813 nr Chatham Kent, death Ralph James Dunn b 1808 1861 - 1868 in Newington 1861
IRE: Kik DRAY, PURCELL, WHITE: Mea LYNCH: Tip MURRAY, SHEEDY: Wem ALLEN; Dub PENROSE: Lim DUNN[E], FRAWLEY, WILLIAMS.
87th Regiment RIF: MURRAY
ENG; Marylebone HAYTER, TROU[W]SDALE, Con HAMPTON, TREMELLING Wry CLEGG, HOLLAND, HORSEFIELD Coventry McGINTY
CAN; Nova Scotia [Halifax, Pictou]: HOLLAND, WHITE, WILLIAMSON; Quebec [Montreal], O'DRISCOLL

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Re: Help finding the FATHER of my Great grandfather?
« Reply #30 on: Friday 17 February 17 13:26 GMT (UK) »
Thanks Josey :)

So... The 1909 marriage signatures appear to provide a good match to the William who ends up in Portsmouth, and also to Ann Squires from the Reading census.

Leaving just William's wildly varying ages, birthplaces and occupations to worry about, then!

This is definitely a case where Rebecca needs that 1914 birth certificate for Henry.
Ayr: Barnes, Wylie
Caithness: MacGregor
Essex: Eldred (Pebmarsh)
Gloucs: Timbrell (Winchcomb)
Hants: Stares (Wickham)
Lincs: Maw, Jackson (Epworth, Belton)
London: Pierce
Suffolk: Markham (Framlingham)
Surrey: Gosling (Richmond)
Wilts: Matthews, Tarrant (Calne, Preshute)
Worcs: Milward (Redditch)
Yorks: Beaumont, Crook, Moore, Styring (Huddersfield); Middleton (Church Fenton); Exley, Gelder (High Hoyland); Barnes, Birchinall (Sheffield); Kenyon, Wood (Cumberworth/Denby Dale)

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Re: Help finding the FATHER of my Great grandfather?
« Reply #31 on: Friday 17 February 17 14:59 GMT (UK) »
Yes definitely a birth certificate.
Just  perhaps a pointer on the army record where it asks about previous employment etc there is"???? Slates" well possibly something Slates.
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Re: Help finding the FATHER of my Great grandfather?
« Reply #32 on: Friday 17 February 17 16:14 GMT (UK) »
Service record also states previous service in "M M rifles [S Africa]"  ???
Seeking: baptism Philip Murray 1813 nr Chatham Kent, death Ralph James Dunn b 1808 1861 - 1868 in Newington 1861
IRE: Kik DRAY, PURCELL, WHITE: Mea LYNCH: Tip MURRAY, SHEEDY: Wem ALLEN; Dub PENROSE: Lim DUNN[E], FRAWLEY, WILLIAMS.
87th Regiment RIF: MURRAY
ENG; Marylebone HAYTER, TROU[W]SDALE, Con HAMPTON, TREMELLING Wry CLEGG, HOLLAND, HORSEFIELD Coventry McGINTY
CAN; Nova Scotia [Halifax, Pictou]: HOLLAND, WHITE, WILLIAMSON; Quebec [Montreal], O'DRISCOLL

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Re: Help finding the FATHER of my Great grandfather?
« Reply #33 on: Friday 17 February 17 16:17 GMT (UK) »
previous employment etc there is"???? Slates" well possibly something Slates.

Could it be 'paid rates' ??? in answer to question about where lived, did pay rates etc.
Seeking: baptism Philip Murray 1813 nr Chatham Kent, death Ralph James Dunn b 1808 1861 - 1868 in Newington 1861
IRE: Kik DRAY, PURCELL, WHITE: Mea LYNCH: Tip MURRAY, SHEEDY: Wem ALLEN; Dub PENROSE: Lim DUNN[E], FRAWLEY, WILLIAMS.
87th Regiment RIF: MURRAY
ENG; Marylebone HAYTER, TROU[W]SDALE, Con HAMPTON, TREMELLING Wry CLEGG, HOLLAND, HORSEFIELD Coventry McGINTY
CAN; Nova Scotia [Halifax, Pictou]: HOLLAND, WHITE, WILLIAMSON; Quebec [Montreal], O'DRISCOLL

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Re: Help finding the FATHER of my Great grandfather?
« Reply #34 on: Friday 17 February 17 16:31 GMT (UK) »
Service record also states previous service in "M M rifles [S Africa]"  ???
Possible response to question about service  'Yes, M[ilitary], M[ounted] Rifles S Afirca'???
http://home.mweb.co.za/re/redcap/new-samr.htm
During 1911 it was decided to reorganize the police forces of the newly formed Union of South Africa on the lines of that used in the former Cape Colony. With effect from 1 April 1913, (Act 14 of 1912), two police forces were formed within the Union of South Africa:

South African Mounted Rifles (SAMR). The SA Mounted Rifles was formed by the amalgamation of the Cape Mounted Police (CMP), Cape Mounted Rifles (CMR), Natal Police (NP) and Transvaal Police (TP).
Seeking: baptism Philip Murray 1813 nr Chatham Kent, death Ralph James Dunn b 1808 1861 - 1868 in Newington 1861
IRE: Kik DRAY, PURCELL, WHITE: Mea LYNCH: Tip MURRAY, SHEEDY: Wem ALLEN; Dub PENROSE: Lim DUNN[E], FRAWLEY, WILLIAMS.
87th Regiment RIF: MURRAY
ENG; Marylebone HAYTER, TROU[W]SDALE, Con HAMPTON, TREMELLING Wry CLEGG, HOLLAND, HORSEFIELD Coventry McGINTY
CAN; Nova Scotia [Halifax, Pictou]: HOLLAND, WHITE, WILLIAMSON; Quebec [Montreal], O'DRISCOLL

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Re: Help finding the FATHER of my Great grandfather?
« Reply #35 on: Saturday 18 February 17 16:18 GMT (UK) »
Thanks Josey :)

So... The 1909 marriage signatures appear to provide a good match to the William who ends up in Portsmouth, and also to Ann Squires from the Reading census.

Leaving just William's wildly varying ages, birthplaces and occupations to worry about, then!

This is definitely a case where Rebecca needs that 1914 birth certificate for Henry.

I have ordered a birth certificate for Henry so just waiting for it too come now. Thanks for the help