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Help with Interpreting Birth Certificate from 1863
« on: Friday 17 February 17 12:36 GMT (UK) »
I have just received what I hope is the birth certificate of my paternal great grandmother and am having difficulty in reading it. Not sure if it is simply a bad copy or my aging eyesight ::)  I would be very grateful for any assistance.

The year is 1863 but I cannot understand the date or place name.
The name of the child is Elizabeth something .... and is a girl.
The father's name is Thomas Watkins (I think) but I cannot read the mother's maiden name (should be Emily something).
And it looks like Emily made her mark on the certificate rather than signing.

As always, all help is very welcome.
Thanks in anticipation
Cherryl
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Re: Help with Interpreting Birth Certificate from 1863
« Reply #1 on: Friday 17 February 17 12:48 GMT (UK) »
FreeBMD has this birth registration:

Elizabeth Jane Caroline Watkins, 1863, Monmouth.      :-\
Howard , Viney , Kingsman, Pain/e, Rainer/ Rayner, Barham, George, Wakeling (Catherine), Vicary (Frederick)   all LDN area/suburbs  Ottley/ MDX,
Henman/ KNT   Gandy/LDN before 1830  Burgess/LDN
Barham/SFK   Rainer/CAN (Toronto) Gillians/CAN  Sturgeon/CAN (Vancouver)
Bailey/LDN Page/KNT   Paling/WA (var)



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Re: Help with Interpreting Birth Certificate from 1863
« Reply #2 on: Friday 17 February 17 13:01 GMT (UK) »
Is the address 'Smith Court, Monmouth'?

What was the reference you used to order the birth certificate? Try looking it up on GRO website, you can get mother's maiden name for free.

ADDED: GRO has this
WATKINS, ELIZABETH  ANN ...    PROSSER     
GRO Reference: 1863  J Quarter in MONMOUTH  Volume 11A  Page 41

Certificate has long double 'ss' [looks like fs] in middle of mother's maiden name.
Seeking: baptism Philip Murray 1813 nr Chatham Kent, death Ralph James Dunn b 1808 1861 - 1868 in Newington 1861
IRE: Kik DRAY[EA], PURCELL, WHITE: Mea LYNCH: Tip MURRAY, SHEEDY: Wem ALLEN; Dub PENROSE: Lim DUNN[E], FRAWLEY, WILLIAMS.
87th Regiment RIF: MURRAY
ENG; Marylebone HAYTER, TROU[W]SDALE, Con HAMPTON, TREMELLING Wry CLEGG, HOLLAND, HORSEFIELD Coventry McGINTY
CAN; Nova Scotia [Halifax, Pictou]: HOLLAND, WHITE, WILLIAMSON; Quebec [Montreal], O'DRISCOLL

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Re: Help with Interpreting Birth Certificate from 1863
« Reply #3 on: Friday 17 February 17 13:17 GMT (UK) »
Hi

The mms name of the mother, Prosser,  on the  Cert, written with the old double s, looking a bit like fs.

Born:  Sixth June May1863
Father's occupation: Waterman
Mother: Emily Watkins formerly Prosser
Birth registered: Twenty Second June May 1863
Informant: X The Mark of Emily Watkins, Mother, Smiths Court (?), Monmouth
Registrar: William Roberts (?) Registrar

I agree with 'Smith's Court' looking possible - my first thought, though was 'Swifts House'  :)

Edit: Actually, now not sure the month of Birth and registration is June.  The month seems to end in a 'y'? And the first letter looks like the 'M' in mother. So ....May,  is the month of Birth and Registration?

Cheers
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Re: Help with Interpreting Birth Certificate from 1863
« Reply #4 on: Friday 17 February 17 13:20 GMT (UK) »
So possibly this marriage:
Marriages Sep 1851   
HALE    Pheobe        Monmouth    26   121    
PROSSER    Emily        Monmouth    26   121    
ROBERTS    Richard        Monmouth    26   121    
SELWYN    William        Monmouth    26   121    
SOMNER    Sarah        Monmouth    26   121   
Watkins    John        Monmouth    26   121    
Watkins    Thomas        Monmouth    26   121   
WEBB    Ann        Monmouth    26   121

Will try to find them in 1861 to see where they are living.
Seeking: baptism Philip Murray 1813 nr Chatham Kent, death Ralph James Dunn b 1808 1861 - 1868 in Newington 1861
IRE: Kik DRAY[EA], PURCELL, WHITE: Mea LYNCH: Tip MURRAY, SHEEDY: Wem ALLEN; Dub PENROSE: Lim DUNN[E], FRAWLEY, WILLIAMS.
87th Regiment RIF: MURRAY
ENG; Marylebone HAYTER, TROU[W]SDALE, Con HAMPTON, TREMELLING Wry CLEGG, HOLLAND, HORSEFIELD Coventry McGINTY
CAN; Nova Scotia [Halifax, Pictou]: HOLLAND, WHITE, WILLIAMSON; Quebec [Montreal], O'DRISCOLL

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Re: Help with Interpreting Birth Certificate from 1863
« Reply #5 on: Friday 17 February 17 13:50 GMT (UK) »
Gosh, that's just about the worst certificate I've seen  :o
CARDIFF:Lord,Griffiths,Barry,Cope,Mahoney ~ PEMBROKESHIRE:Griffiths,Rees,Owen,Thomas ~ ESSEX:Lord,Foreman,Hatch ~ SOMERSET:Lord,Cox,Hockey,Linham,Bryant ~ STAFFORDSHIRE:Cope,Elks,Hackney,Gallimore,Davenport ~ SUFFOLK:Lord,Lockwood,Hatch,Rix,Foreman ~ IRELAND:Barry,Meany,Cummins,Grogan ~~
PONTYPRIDD:Leigh,Brooks,Adams,Davies,Thomas ~ KENT:Leigh ~ CHESHIRE:Adams,Tudor,Illidge ~ DENBIGHSHIRE:Edwards,Bolas ~BRECON:Leigh,Thomas,Davies ~SOMERSET:Adams,Keitch,Bridge ~ABERGAVENNY:Minton ~ MERTHYR:.....

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Re: Help with Interpreting Birth Certificate from 1863
« Reply #6 on: Friday 17 February 17 13:59 GMT (UK) »
BIRTHS in GRO, MONMOUTH: WATKINS:
Sarah Ann 1852: mms: PROSSER
Henry 1853, mms: PROSSER
Thomas 1855, mms: PARSSA
John 1857, mms: PROSSER
William James 1860, mms: PROSSER

Can't find baby Charles' registration for 1861, though?

1861: Swifts Buildings, Monmouth,
RG9 / Piece 3987 / Folio: 76 / Pg 32
Head: Thomas WATKINS 33, Waterman
Wife: Emma WATKINS 26,
Son: Henry WATKINS 8,
Son: Thomas WATKINS 5,
Son: John WATKINS 3,
Son: William WATKINS 1,
Son: Charles WATKINS 1 week,
All Born Monmouth

And I think Thomas, may have been the enumerator?

Cheers, AMBLY


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Re: Help with Interpreting Birth Certificate from 1863
« Reply #7 on: Friday 17 February 17 14:00 GMT (UK) »
There are a few online trees showing and Elizabeth Watkins, b 1863 Monmouthshire, with parents Thomas and Emily (nee Prosser).
Howard , Viney , Kingsman, Pain/e, Rainer/ Rayner, Barham, George, Wakeling (Catherine), Vicary (Frederick)   all LDN area/suburbs  Ottley/ MDX,
Henman/ KNT   Gandy/LDN before 1830  Burgess/LDN
Barham/SFK   Rainer/CAN (Toronto) Gillians/CAN  Sturgeon/CAN (Vancouver)
Bailey/LDN Page/KNT   Paling/WA (var)



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Re: Help with Interpreting Birth Certificate from 1863
« Reply #8 on: Friday 17 February 17 16:04 GMT (UK) »
Actually, now not sure the month of Birth and registration is June.  The month seems to end in a 'y'? And the first letter looks like the 'M' in mother. So ....May,  is the month of Birth and Registration?
I agree May, the 'M' very similar to 'M' of Monmouth; registrar obviously very fond of florid capitals  :). Good find of census & enumerator's page, Ambly.
Seeking: baptism Philip Murray 1813 nr Chatham Kent, death Ralph James Dunn b 1808 1861 - 1868 in Newington 1861
IRE: Kik DRAY[EA], PURCELL, WHITE: Mea LYNCH: Tip MURRAY, SHEEDY: Wem ALLEN; Dub PENROSE: Lim DUNN[E], FRAWLEY, WILLIAMS.
87th Regiment RIF: MURRAY
ENG; Marylebone HAYTER, TROU[W]SDALE, Con HAMPTON, TREMELLING Wry CLEGG, HOLLAND, HORSEFIELD Coventry McGINTY
CAN; Nova Scotia [Halifax, Pictou]: HOLLAND, WHITE, WILLIAMSON; Quebec [Montreal], O'DRISCOLL