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Re: Colney Hatch asylum and the 1871 census
« Reply #18 on: Wednesday 22 February 17 18:36 GMT (UK) »
That is puzzling.
Another blow - I can't find a reception order for her in the Islington 1863 bundle. So it will be among the Colney Hatch records at the LMA that you will have to look.
The Islington workhouse record says Sarah Ann was admitted 2 May 1863, from 16 Felix Terrace. Some good news - I think I've found a rough settlement exam. I'm afraid I can't read every word of it
5 May 1863
Howlett Sarah Ann 16 Felix ter ? 38  ? Lunatic
by George who says we were married at St Pauls Balls Pond 6 April 1847. cert. produced
4 children viz Edwd 141/2 Walter 13 Eliza 7 Emma 16 ms
I have occupied and resided at my prest abode 6 yrs last Decr. pay £45 per yr and all rates
I produce receipts for rent and rates 1857 to 1863
Church of England 3rd attack wife of a Bookseller
jealousy of Husbd violence of temper at St Lukes(?) twice
1st time March to Oct 1859 May to Augst 1860(?)
? ? this time 34 yrs old first attack

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Re: Colney Hatch asylum and the 1871 census
« Reply #19 on: Thursday 23 February 17 08:52 GMT (UK) »
Thank you for that John, much appreciated.

Did you find it on Ancestry and if so where?

I think the wording "Church of England" starts the record for someone else as Sarah's husband was a grocer.

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Re: Colney Hatch asylum and the 1871 census
« Reply #20 on: Thursday 23 February 17 23:21 GMT (UK) »
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I thought that George must have been a bookseller! I think it could be saying that Sarah attacked the wife of a bookseller. Out of jealousy!
Confusing, because when they talk of "attacks" in this context they usually mean attacks of mental illness.

I'm sorry about the reception order, especially after all the build up. It's the first time I have been unable to find one when they have been available for the appropriate place/time. Perhaps it has got lost.
A copy may be at the LMA in the Colney Hatch/Friern records. The records they hold for the hospital are catalogued here -
http://search.lma.gov.uk/LMA_DOC/H12_CH.PDF

To see the exam on ancestry, you need to go to London, England, Poor Law and Board of Guardian Records, 1430-1930
http://search.ancestry.co.uk/search/db.aspx?dbid=1557

Use the small boxes on the right hand side under "Browse this collection"
Select,
Borough - Islington
Parish or Poor Law Union - Islington
Record Type - Miscellaneous (refresh page if nothing happens!)
In the long list scroll down a little more than halfway to "Rough examinations book, 1862-1863"
It's image 333 of 436 (little number box at the bottom will get you there)
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Re: Colney Hatch asylum and the 1871 census
« Reply #21 on: Thursday 23 February 17 23:44 GMT (UK) »
Was George a Stationer?
The census returns for Colney Hatch Asylum, 1871-1891 all have a female patient S A H, born 1826 (i.e. age 45, 55, 65). Remarkably consistent, even if it was the same person!
But the death of Sarah Ann Howlett in March qtr 1895, Barnet, has an age of 54. As you say, way out! Very odd.



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Re: Colney Hatch asylum and the 1871 census
« Reply #22 on: Friday 24 February 17 09:18 GMT (UK) »
Hi John

Once again, many thanks for your posts. I expect you've realised I don't have much experience of workhouse/settlement records.

I'm amazed at what has come to light just because I was trying to find Sarah's death, that her son married and he and his wife died in the Princess Alice disaster, that she was classified as a lunatic etc. Just still no sign of her death!

I thought the wording after Church of England referring to St Luke's meant another workhouse and not Liverpool Road.

Unfortunately I have to go out today but will search my records later to check for any reference to stationer.


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Re: Colney Hatch asylum and the 1871 census
« Reply #23 on: Saturday 25 February 17 14:44 GMT (UK) »
Hi John

I have searched my records and find George was a stationer on the 1861 census. He seems to have had a varied career, Eating House Keeper (when they were married), brewer (probably ginger beer like his father), greengrocer.

Having seen the link to the Poor Law records you kindly sent me, I now understand them better than I did.

I cant read every word either, they seem to have their own form of shorthand. I wonder if after Felix Ter (Terrace) is LR for Liverpool Road. 38 is her age at the time. Church of England would have been her religion. 34 years old at the time of the first attack would be correct.

I've checked the St Luke records and she was there 18th March to 7th October 1859 (discharged recovered) and then 2nd May 1862 to 15th August 1862 (not improved).

Thank you for all your help in this, I would never have found all this information without you.

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Re: Colney Hatch asylum and the 1871 census
« Reply #24 on: Saturday 25 February 17 21:46 GMT (UK) »
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Glad to have been able to help.
I'd forgotten all about the hospital in St Luke's. Wondered what it meant! Yes, they have patient records from there on the Wellcome Library website. Makes up for Sarah's missing reception order in Islington.
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Re: Colney Hatch asylum and the 1871 census
« Reply #25 on: Sunday 26 February 17 14:21 GMT (UK) »
Hi John

I got the information re her admittance to St Lukes from Ancestry.

Have had a look at the Wellcome Library site but couldn't access any patient records.

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Re: Colney Hatch asylum and the 1871 census
« Reply #26 on: Sunday 26 February 17 15:21 GMT (UK) »
Hi
They have
Register of Admissions, January 1857 - April 1863
http://wellcomelibrary.org/item/b22000409#?c=0&m=0&s=0&cv=0&z=-0.1236%2C-0.0392%2C1.2472%2C0.7834
Sarah has an entries in that on folios 49 and 119

Medical Examination Book, July 1858 - April 1861 (Sarah is number 95)
http://wellcomelibrary.org/item/b22000756#?c=0&m=0&s=0&cv=123&z=0.258%2C0.1073%2C0.7366%2C0.4627
Not sure that they have one for her second admission
John