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Mary Irving
« on: Wednesday 22 February 17 14:45 GMT (UK) »
I am trying to find the parents of Mary Irving who was living with Walter Carruthers as his wife, I cannot find any marriage details for this couple, all I know is that she died 24th may 1895 aged 65 (Scotlands People) in column for parents it has Irving, underneath a dash, can I take it that she was illegitimate, they were living at Gibsons cottages, Tundergarth, in the census she gives her place of birth as Kirkpatrick Fleming, I have eliminated some births but still have Daniel Irving and Grace/Grizzel Rome as possible parents. Walter & Mary had 8 children but none called Daniel or Grace, Walters parents were David Carruthers & Janet/Jean Scott.
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Re: Mary Irving
« Reply #1 on: Wednesday 22 February 17 15:24 GMT (UK) »
I would look for a birth with just a mother called Irving.

Have you found any possibles on census before she is with Walter?
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Re: Mary Irving
« Reply #2 on: Wednesday 22 February 17 15:46 GMT (UK) »
possibles Daniel & Grace Irving living at Hayfield planting Kirkpatrick fleming, ruled out Joseph & Jane Irving, ruled out Robert & Jannet Irving at Broats, ruled out Christopher & Helen at Fairy Hall, will keep digging
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Re: Mary Irving
« Reply #3 on: Wednesday 22 February 17 15:47 GMT (UK) »
Do you have a birth certificate for one of their children born after 1855 ? As that should give you the marriage date for Mary and Walter

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Re: Mary Irving
« Reply #4 on: Wednesday 22 February 17 16:27 GMT (UK) »
I can only find birth details for their children born before 1855 on scotlands people
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Re: Mary Irving
« Reply #5 on: Wednesday 22 February 17 17:43 GMT (UK) »
Hi is this not one of their children Robert Carruthers 17/1/1859 Tundergarth Dumfries ? On Scotland's people ref number 851/1

Margaret Laidlaw Carruthers 29/3/1861 ...ref 851/5 ....is this not the same family

Added this Margaret Laidlaw Carruthers died 1862 another Margaret born 1863?or 1866

Mother Mary Irving father Walter Carruthers


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Re: Mary Irving
« Reply #6 on: Wednesday 22 February 17 18:15 GMT (UK) »
thanks will take a look
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Re: Mary Irving
« Reply #7 on: Wednesday 22 February 17 18:16 GMT (UK) »
Hi Cazza,

It would be a good idea to list children in order (with dates) as this can help with naming pattern if used?

For a marriage pre 1855 in Scotland there are usually no parents names i.e. we rely on the names of witnesses.

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Added, Have you found Walter's death which would help identify kids named after his parents (if their names are given by the informant)?
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Re: Mary Irving
« Reply #8 on: Wednesday 22 February 17 18:35 GMT (UK) »
Looked at birth details of Robert Carruthers, confirms Mary's maiden name was Irving but does not tell me when they married.
Walter died 7th july 1867, informant was wife Mary
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