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Averse to marriage and registering births ?
« on: Wednesday 22 February 17 17:49 GMT (UK) »
I have spent hours researching a relative who seems particularly averse to official documents

I have found her and her 3 children on census from 1861 to 1911


but she doesnt seem to have married officially
or registered her children

the deceased  husband
and parents given on her death cert 1915 also seem to be fictitous

Anyoone else had this kind of problem
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Re: Averse to marriage and registering births ?
« Reply #1 on: Wednesday 22 February 17 18:05 GMT (UK) »
Registration of births was compulsory from 1875.
Registrationd had to be made within 42 days of the birth.
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Re: Averse to marriage and registering births ?
« Reply #2 on: Wednesday 22 February 17 18:08 GMT (UK) »
Are we talking about a Scottish death certificate?   As far as I am aware parents aren't named on English death certs.

Would you like to share her name, date and place of birth with us Rootschatters to see if we can help at all?
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Re: Averse to marriage and registering births ?
« Reply #3 on: Wednesday 22 February 17 18:27 GMT (UK) »
Registration of births was compulsory from 1875.
Registrationd had to be made within 42 days of the birth.

See http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=755898.msg6055186#msg6055186

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Re: Averse to marriage and registering births ?
« Reply #4 on: Wednesday 22 February 17 18:47 GMT (UK) »
KG driving licences are compulsery but a lot of people get away with not doing it

but no-one can force people to tell truth on registration
also her son may have been told he was named after a deceased father so thats the name he put on registration


yes  Girl Guide  it's a Scots lady

Thread on scottish forum

http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=756853.new#new

Her name is Margaret Love
she died age 75
1915 in Shettlestone Lanarkshire Scotland where she seems to have lived most of her life .
1885-1905 shes on electoral registers in Lightburn area
and with or near her son john b approx 1863 on censuses 1911 1901 1891 as an ag lab 1881 farm worker

In 1871 she is aged 35 with her children Margaret love aged14 Isabella aged 11 and John aged 4

and a brother John Love aged 33  which made me think she was using her maiden name

also young Margaret Love has her father As being William Muir deceased on her wedding cert

in 1861 Margaret Muir aged 4 is with a grandfather William Manners
his step daughter Margaret Manners
and her sister named as Isabela Lurtch

there is a Margaret Love 10th daughter of James + Eizabeth Love whose age is similar but shes down as a 17 yearold seamstress with her parents in 1861

Any new eyes on this ...even any theories

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Re: Averse to marriage and registering births ?
« Reply #5 on: Wednesday 22 February 17 18:53 GMT (UK) »
Thanks Stan ..the 1st thing I noticed about the registrations was the cost

surely for a young girl that would be a reason not to register her child and once she'd got away with the first
she may have assumed it was ok not to bother for the other either .

 marriages or deaths for her other children Isabelle John could  named different  fathers

The parents who were named on Margaret Love s death cert were James and jeannie Birrell coal miner deceased if anyone wants to try and find them but i think that would be a wild goose chase
the problem is there are so many Margaret Loves in Lanarkshire ..even just in Shettleston
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Re: Averse to marriage and registering births ?
« Reply #6 on: Wednesday 22 February 17 19:30 GMT (UK) »
I have never found a marriage record for my 4 x great grandparents.  I suspect that he was already married to someone else  ::)
They had seven daughters, all but the first born after 1837.  Some of their births were registered, some not.  None of them appears to have been christened, though the five who lived to adulthood all married in church.
I've had to rely on the census and the marriage certificates of the daughters to prove that they actually existed!
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Re: Averse to marriage and registering births ?
« Reply #7 on: Wednesday 22 February 17 19:38 GMT (UK) »
Just adding the 1871 census transcription for anyone trying to help

Lightburn Road, Shettleston (Barony), Shettleston, Lanarkshire
Margaret   Love   Head Unmarried 35   1836   Out Door Worker   Glasgow, Lanarkshire,
James   Love   Brother                     33   1838   Collier   Glasgow, Lanarkshire, Scotland   
Margaret   Love   Daughter                14   1857   Bleachfield Worker   Lightburn, Lanarkshire,
Isabella   Love   Daughter                  11   1860   Lightburn, Lanarkshire, Scotland   
John   Love   Son                                4   1867   Lightburn, Lanarkshire, Scotland

you probably have these details but just in case.......

Isabella Love
Birth Date:   6 Aug 1860
Birth Place:   Shettleston,Lanark,Scotland
Mother:   Margaret Love
FHL Film Number:   6035516

Margaret Love
Birth Date:   10 Apr 1857
Birth Place:   Shettleston,Lanark,Scotland
Mother:   Margaret Love
FHL Film Number:   6035516
detail from Scotland, Select Births and Baptisms, 1564-1950


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Re: Averse to marriage and registering births ?
« Reply #8 on: Wednesday 22 February 17 19:38 GMT (UK) »
Brigid, just adding link to the ongoing post on the Scottish board www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=756853.0 for additional background.

To recap on bits from there on this thread. Possible births for Margaret Love's children from the index on Family Search (original images on SP):

Margaret 1857 https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FQDS-GTL
Isabella 1860 https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FQD9-YVM
John 1862 https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FQGQ-HXP

The daughters as we discussed earlier show with different surnames in 1861. Likely the surname of their reputed fathers. Not uncommon really.

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