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Theophilus Hogg 1st marriage look up
« on: Wednesday 22 February 17 20:16 GMT (UK) »
Hi,
I'm looking to find out who Theophilus' (b. 1806-d. 1872) first wife was.
(Theophilus' father was John Hogg)
They had 3 children that I know of.
James 1836-1875 (married Jane McCully 17 Sep 1860)
Eliza Jane dates unknown ?? (married David Whiteside 28 Apr 1855)
Rebecca 1840 -1892 (married James Kennedy 5 May 1882)

Thanks  :)

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Re: Theophilus Hogg 1st marriage look up
« Reply #1 on: Saturday 25 February 17 17:47 GMT (UK) »

I have spent an hour trying to widen your  material using ancestry ireland, emerald Ancestry, Proni ecatalogue , Clifton St tombstones, GenesReunited, in freeBMDs A same named married in Tynemouth 1866 to a Isabella Thompson or a Jane E Wood but seem to be in the Press for North Shields rather than in Ireland , in the Tithes I could not find not the right John Hogg the nearest was a Mr Hogg living at Lambeg in 1828.  Anyway I must give up now, lets hope you get a breakthrough with others joining in

1. John Hogg
chidren
1.1.   Theophilus Hogg (b. 1806-d. 1872) m1 XXXX
children
1.1.1. James Hogg 1836-1875 (married Jane McCully [dau of William MCully 17 Sep 1860)]
1.1.2. Eliza Jane Hogg dates unknown ?? (married David Whiteside [b 1831] [son of James Whiteside] 28 Apr 1855)
1.1.3. Rebecca  Hogg 1840 -1892 (married James Kennedy 5 May 1882)

1.1.  Theophilus Hogg (b. 1806-d. 1872) m2 1870 Belfast Eliza Strange
children
1.1.4. Samuel Hogg b Belfast www.ancestryireland.com have marriage and birth/baptism records [credits reqd]
if Samuel m 1903 an Elizabeth Marion Renshaw see census 1911 , then Samuel had become a Pharmaceutical Chemist see 1.2 in Eglantine Avenue (Windsor Ward, Antrim)
If Samuel married a Sarah XXXX  they lived in the census 1911 at  4 in Springfield Village (Woodvale, Antrim)
 so good luck onwards
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Re: Theophilus Hogg 1st marriage look up
« Reply #2 on: Sunday 26 February 17 10:42 GMT (UK) »
Hiya BallyaltikilliganG,
Thank you so much for trying to help with my search, sorry to take up your time but it's most appreciated. I have only been concentrating on Ireland as that's where my father was from.
I didn't know about the Eproni catalogue, thank you for that.

I now know that there was a 4th child from Theo's 1st marriage
Mary Anne Hogg who married James Dunkerley in 1874 so will research that some more

Samuel Hogg from the 2nd marriage, I did think married Elizabeth Renshaw, but someone found a document (which I've not seen) of his marriage to Sarah Kirk as you mentioned, and in it he has named his father as 'Ophie' so I think it must have been to Sarah not Elizabeth after all.

It's 2 maiden/names I'm really after though, Theo's 1st wife, and my grandad's mum who I believe from the info was married to...William M. Hogg (b.1867), (son of James Hogg (b.1836) and Jane McCully (b.1838))
William M. Hogg and she had sons William Hogg (my grandad b.1902 approx) and Walter Scott Hogg (b.1904)

Unfortunately I don't seem to be able to edit my first post, but this is the link within the forum to the original information found on my family, I should have included it in the first place and apologies for not doing so.
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=748080.0

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Re: Theophilus Hogg 1st marriage look up
« Reply #3 on: Sunday 26 February 17 12:00 GMT (UK) »
I'm a bit puzzled by this as it is so easy to confirm-
Samuel Hogg from the 2nd marriage, I did think married Elizabeth Renshaw, but someone found a document (which I've not seen) of his marriage to Sarah Kirk as you mentioned, and in it he has named his father as 'Ophie' so I think it must have been to Sarah not Elizabeth after all.

Samuel Hogg, chemist, bachelor, son of James Hogg, druggist, married 1903 Elizabeth Marion Renshaw-
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1903/10221/5720575.pdf

Samuel Hogg, son of Ophio Hogg, (both labourers) married 1910 Sarah Kirk-
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1910/09988/5632390.pdf

Samuel Hogg, parents Theophilus Hogg & Eliza Strange, born 1870-
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1870/03338/2223639.pdf
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Re: Theophilus Hogg 1st marriage look up
« Reply #4 on: Sunday 26 February 17 12:27 GMT (UK) »
1.1.2. Eliza Jane Hogg dates unknown ?? (married David Whiteside [b 1831] [son of James Whiteside] 28 Apr 1855)
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FGCK-F63
David Whiteside died 1895- https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1895/05933/4685401.pdf
Eliza Jane Whiteside died 1909 age 67 (which means born c1843 so probably age is incorrect)
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1909/05463/4529036.pdf

Son William John (1866) https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:F59R-9TY
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1866/03532/2300099.pdf
Son James (1868) https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FPB2-X57
Son David (1870-1871) https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:F5ZZ-9Y8
Son David (1875) https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FG5F-GF7
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1875/03117/2143148.pdf
Daughter Eliza (1879) https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FGKJ-VJD (Lizzie in 1901)

1901 gives Eliza Jane Whiteside & other family-
www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Antrim/Court_Ward/Hopewell/964883
Daughter Sarah J. Deans (born c1864- probaly shortly before 1864) named a son Theophlius-
Eliza Jane Whiteside registered his birth-
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1895/02219/1837360.pdf

Theophilus, son of James Whiteside, born 1908
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1908/01637/1654635.pdf
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Re: Theophilus Hogg 1st marriage look up
« Reply #5 on: Sunday 26 February 17 13:31 GMT (UK) »
1.1.2. Eliza Jane Hogg dates unknown ?? (married David Whiteside [b 1831] [son of James Whiteside] 28 Apr 1855)
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FGCK-F63
David Whiteside died 1895- https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1895/05933/4685401.pdf
Eliza Jane Whiteside died 1909 age 67 (which means born c1843 so probably age is incorrect)
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1909/05463/4529036.pdf

Son William John (1866) https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:F59R-9TY
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1866/03532/2300099.pdf
Son James (1868) https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FPB2-X57
Son David (1870-1871) https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:F5ZZ-9Y8
Son David (1875) https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FG5F-GF7
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1875/03117/2143148.pdf
Daughter Eliza (1879) https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FGKJ-VJD (Lizzie in 1901)

1901 gives Eliza Jane Whiteside & other family-
www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Antrim/Court_Ward/Hopewell/964883
Daughter Sarah J. Deans (born c1864- probaly shortly before 1864) named a son Theophlius-
Eliza Jane Whiteside registered his birth-
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1895/02219/1837360.pdf

Theophilus, son of James Whiteside, born 1908
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1908/01637/1654635.pdf

Thanks Aghadowey, honestly I wish it was as easy as that for me, I spend hours searching and finding names but I don't ever seem to find what matches the info I have and I've never found any of that info you posted. It will take me days to process all of this new information to enter it onto my tree, you obviously know your way around the records and research isn't my strong point obviously.  :o

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Re: Theophilus Hogg 1st marriage look up
« Reply #6 on: Sunday 26 February 17 22:26 GMT (UK) »
Just years of practice and a matter of checking and cross-checking between one resource and another  ;) Lots more details online so just keep searching.
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Re: Theophilus Hogg 1st marriage look up
« Reply #7 on: Monday 27 February 17 12:18 GMT (UK) »
Lol well I hope with time and practice I will improve, and thanks for all of your help so far.

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Re: Theophilus Hogg 1st marriage look up
« Reply #8 on: Friday 08 March 19 14:51 GMT (UK) »
I found a record for Theophilus HOGG as a tenant in 1852 at Springfield Row, Belfast...He was paying 2 quid a month on a month to month basis...a note alongside stated the tenants were renting parts of small houses. The record is from the Landed Estates Court Rentals Records - found on Findmypast
I noticed someone mentioned Springfield  in one of the posts here.