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poorhouse records new btt old subject
« on: Thursday 23 February 17 18:17 GMT (UK) »
because I have been told that all the poorhouse records no longer exist, I am hoping against hope that maybe those that died in the poorhouse, if i'm lucky may have been buried separately and therefore if that is so that st.cuthbert's may have records including how they died, to help me find out what my great grandfathers' mothers' name was, to this end ,I have been in touch with them and asked that question, hoping against hope that they will answer in the positive.
Scotlandorkney flett bell, strickland laird traillcalqahoun.
Lanark/Argyll/Renfrew/Ayr:Smith, Steele,Kirkwood,Hamilton,May,orO'mayscott and anderso, craig , forbes taggart Kirkwood, milloy and steel apart ftom others which are numerous, graham mcilroy. stewart.brown battonisle of sku rothsay etc.
 searl rogers sutherland
Edinburgh/Aberdeen:portsea marsh,brownwhittcomb and others. to numerous to mentionweymouth frank.  Laidlaw,Brown,Dean//Charles/Hall/Slight/Johnston belgium loquet

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Re: poorhouse records new btt old subject
« Reply #1 on: Thursday 23 February 17 18:26 GMT (UK) »
just hope that they do not come back stating that they were placed in a mass grave with no record of who is in there , last ditch attempt. does anyone know of any other interested parties who may have kept such records, I can't let this go without finding out something, I was told that dunrobin castle only keeps the countess of sutherland's papers and journals her husband's may have gone to the levison- gower family estate in stittenham, does not seam to be anyone there that I can contact and i have tried the queens solicitors who are also the dukes solicitors but they have to date ignored my request for any information that they may have.
Scotlandorkney flett bell, strickland laird traillcalqahoun.
Lanark/Argyll/Renfrew/Ayr:Smith, Steele,Kirkwood,Hamilton,May,orO'mayscott and anderso, craig , forbes taggart Kirkwood, milloy and steel apart ftom others which are numerous, graham mcilroy. stewart.brown battonisle of sku rothsay etc.
 searl rogers sutherland
Edinburgh/Aberdeen:portsea marsh,brownwhittcomb and others. to numerous to mentionweymouth frank.  Laidlaw,Brown,Dean//Charles/Hall/Slight/Johnston belgium loquet

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Re: poorhouse records new btt old subject
« Reply #2 on: Thursday 23 February 17 23:12 GMT (UK) »
Many parochial board records were destroyed, so it is quite common for there not to be any for an area. Presumably you have found the person's death certificate, which should give the parents' names, if they were known to the informant. The death certificate may well give the informant as an official at the poor house. In that case the parents' names will be what the poor house records said. It is unlikely that burial records would name parents, except in the case of very young children.

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Re: poorhouse records new btt old subject
« Reply #3 on: Friday 24 February 17 04:48 GMT (UK) »
Quote from: GR2 on Thursday 23 February 17 23:12 GMT (UK)
Many parochial board records were destroyed, so it is quite common for there not to be any for an area. Presumably you have found the person's death certificate, which should give the parents' names, if they were known to the informant. The death certificate may well give the informant as an official at the poor house. In that case the parents' names will be what the poor house records said. It is unlikely that burial records would name parents, except in the case of very young children.
no I have not, my great grandfather survived the birth but his mother did not and I do not know if a death certificate was even made out for her. and he was given to the laidlaw couple within weeks of being born I assume, so i am not aware of either a proper birth cert. a deathcert, and adoption form or anything. so as st,cuthberts were at one time in charge of the poorhouse I jumped to the conclusion that that may be the only other place that I stand any chance of findin any info about her, br=ecause it seems t me that the family tried to cover it up until bth his sons died and he attempted to try and find his grandson because he needed an heir(my great grandad the duke of sutherlands grandson)
Scotlandorkney flett bell, strickland laird traillcalqahoun.
Lanark/Argyll/Renfrew/Ayr:Smith, Steele,Kirkwood,Hamilton,May,orO'mayscott and anderso, craig , forbes taggart Kirkwood, milloy and steel apart ftom others which are numerous, graham mcilroy. stewart.brown battonisle of sku rothsay etc.
 searl rogers sutherland
Edinburgh/Aberdeen:portsea marsh,brownwhittcomb and others. to numerous to mentionweymouth frank.  Laidlaw,Brown,Dean//Charles/Hall/Slight/Johnston belgium loquet

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Re: poorhouse records new btt old subject
« Reply #4 on: Friday 24 February 17 04:51 GMT (UK) »
myI think he spent some time in the military in india, that is where he contracted the disease.
 great grandfather did not die until 3 april 1923. sleep apnea.
Scotlandorkney flett bell, strickland laird traillcalqahoun.
Lanark/Argyll/Renfrew/Ayr:Smith, Steele,Kirkwood,Hamilton,May,orO'mayscott and anderso, craig , forbes taggart Kirkwood, milloy and steel apart ftom others which are numerous, graham mcilroy. stewart.brown battonisle of sku rothsay etc.
 searl rogers sutherland
Edinburgh/Aberdeen:portsea marsh,brownwhittcomb and others. to numerous to mentionweymouth frank.  Laidlaw,Brown,Dean//Charles/Hall/Slight/Johnston belgium loquet

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Re: poorhouse records new btt old subject
« Reply #5 on: Friday 24 February 17 04:59 GMT (UK) »
There would not be an adoption form as adoptions were not officialise until 1924

Sorry
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« Reply #6 on: Friday 24 February 17 06:05 GMT (UK) »
The mother would have a death certificate. If you know the date of the child's birth and that the mother died that day or within a day or two, the thing would be to look at all the deaths of women of child bearing age in the registration district and pick out the one who died as a result of childbirth in the poor house. However, if the mother was not married, the name of the child's father would not appear on her death certificate.

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« Reply #7 on: Friday 24 February 17 08:29 GMT (UK) »
Marcie, what was your great-grandfather's name and when was he born?
Never trust anything you find online (especially submitted trees and transcriptions on Ancestry, MyHeritage, FindMyPast and other commercial web sites) unless it's an image of an original document - and even then be wary because errors can and do occur.

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