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Re: Charles Clarke
« Reply #27 on: Monday 27 February 17 07:26 GMT (UK) »
Emily had many sad incidents in her life I think.

The given name of SHEEHAN was Timothy.
Here are the deaths of his two children with Emily.

SHEEHAN Maude Harcourt C
Father  Timothy
Mother Emily  TOMPSON
Death Place  WARB
Age  82
Year 1978
Reg Number 5803

SHEEHAN John Octavious T
Father Timothy
Mother Emily  THOMPSON
Death Place KEW
Age 76
Year: 1969
Reg Number 20948

A sighting of Timothy SHEEHAN at Warburton 1895
http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/60462081
 
Timothy SHEEHAN of Warburton rescued from drowning in 1891
http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/8643349
 
More details of the event. This and several news items and advertisements, suggest Timothy SHEEHAN was a mail coach driver.
http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/8633831
 
Suicide Timothy SHEEHAN of Melbourne aged 35 in 1900 by jumping overboard and drowning
http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/206967593

Admin granted in the estate of Timothy SHEEHAN in 1901
http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/139171209
 
Letters of administration were granted to Emily SHEEHAN widow of Timothy SHEEHAN
https://www.prov.vic.gov.au/explore-collection/explore-topic/wills-and-probates
 
In Memoriam  Timothy SHEEHAN 1901 from E. S.    (Emily SHEEHAN?)
http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/192214032

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Re: Charles Clarke
« Reply #28 on: Monday 27 February 17 07:31 GMT (UK) »
staplehouse,
Do you require any further information?
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Re: Charles Clarke
« Reply #29 on: Monday 27 February 17 18:40 GMT (UK) »
hi Sue
thanks for everything so far, there is one thing that different on the marriage cert is that Emily mother name is Elizabeth  where on the cert is states Margaret Reilly, so  did her father remarried, Pearson Thompson, or is this a different Emily Thompson, also is there a divorce for Charles and Emily, as it seems he only stay with each woman 11 years and they where all seems to be working in the hotel industry,, what a man , makes you wonder if each family knew about the other or not, a lot of unaswer question hey

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Re: Charles Clarke
« Reply #30 on: Monday 27 February 17 21:37 GMT (UK) »
There is ample information about Pearson THOMPSON in the news of the day.
http://trove.nla.gov.au/
Enormously wealthy barrister of UK who lost money in mining ventures and settled in Castlemaine Victoria in his later years.

You need to read this lengthy obituary for Pearson Thompson who died  1872
http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/199379757

 
This other item on his death in 1872 is very revealing
http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/88247270

"Mr Thompson has left a son and daughter, the former being a colonel of the 14th Hussars, the latter the widow of a naval cap-tain. To these two children the bulk of his property is left, though we are given to understand that for other little responsibilities that are left behind ample provision is made in the deceasedgentleman's will "

This to me is a clear implication that there were illegitimate children. Perhaps Emily was one of these ;D

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Re: Charles Clarke
« Reply #31 on: Tuesday 28 February 17 05:38 GMT (UK) »
So now..

An item typed in full for your interest

Ballarat Star   Saturday 27 June 1868, page 2

"On Saturday (says Wednesday's Daylesford Mercury) Mary Foley, of Castlemaine, who was sent to prison by the local bench for three months, for dislocating Mr Pearson Thompson's hip, was liberated from the gaol at that town. The first thing she did was to break the windows of the Queen's Head hotel, Castlemaine, upon which she was again handed over to the police. How she escaped their hands we are not aware, but about half-past 4 p.m. on Tuesday she arrived at Daylesford by the Castlemaine coach, and went straight to Mr Pearson Thompson's house, who, we may remark, has been crippled for life. On reaching his residence, she encountered Mrs Riley, who is again living with Mr Thompson. On meeting each other, the two women commenced abusing one another, and a scuffle ensued. The neighbours were alarmed by screams of " murder," and the shrieking of a little child of the woman Foley's, the paternity of which she attributes to Mr Thompson. At length the police arrived, and marched Foley off to the lock-up. Should she be found the aggressor, we trust—as it will be her sixth or seventh appearance in court here—that we shall be relieved of her presence for some time to come. We cannot but add that the frequent disturbances at Mr Thompson's house are a scandal to himself and the town. It is deplorable that a gentleman by birth, a member of a learned profession, and the father of a distinguished cavalry officer in the British army, should, at eighty years of age be the victim of abandoned women".

And another a little earlier

The Age (Melbourne, Vic. : 1854 - 1954) Friday 25 October 1867

"Emerald-hill (Wednesday).  Mary Riley summoned Pearson Thompson, to compel him to contribute towards the maintenance of his illegitimate child. The defendant was in attendance, and as tho complainant did not appear the case was dismissed."

Ongoing "problems" for THOMPSON along the same lines
Mount Alexander Mail    Mon 22 Nov 1869

http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/197311375

And.....

Mt Alexander Mail 9th July 1874

"A late Police Gazette contains a black list of those in arrears for maintenance  of children in the Industrial and Reformatory Schools. Among the number is the name of Pearson Thompson who removed from' Daylesford to Castlemaine years ago, and died there. This paragraph will bring a smile on the faces of many of our readers in this district who hail from Castlemaine and Daylesford ".

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Re: Charles Clarke
« Reply #32 on: Tuesday 28 February 17 07:36 GMT (UK) »
what a life and what went on in those days is still going on today, thank you for that Sue
now have you come across any information on his third woman, Elizabeth Baird, they had three sons, one being a Sidney Clarke being born some where on the 2n May 1892.
this Charles Clarke was very smart to void these other woman along the way, hope you can help

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Re: Charles Clarke
« Reply #33 on: Wednesday 01 March 17 03:59 GMT (UK) »
There is this death in Qld

1952 Reg: C1828   
Elizabeth CLARKE
Father: Bird
Funeral Notice for this woman but no relatives mentioned so it's difficult to be sure she is the correct person:
http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/50312214
http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/124582586

There is an on-line tree which has photographs of Charles and Elizabeth taken from the Rockhampton Morning Bulletin, unfortunately undated and I cannot see it on TROVE. The photos are captioned "Clarke "dynasty" founder Charles Clarke" and "Elizabeth Clarke, Nee Baird". Tree also has photos of the three sons.

This tree also suggests that this is Elizabeth's birth:
Victoria, 1863 #8405
Elizabeth BAIRD
Birth Place   Inglewood, Victoria
Father   Fergus Baird
Mother   Martha Waddell

As her third son was called Fergus it seems a possibility.

Another child of the same parents and also born Inglewood, Victoria (i.e. a sister of Elizabeth), Mary Lyle BOLGER (Nee Baird)  was in Taroom Qld in 1908, so, again, there is strong circumstantial evidence that the birth is correct.

Electoral rolls:
Elizabeth CLARKE is shown at Taroom, licesed victualler 1903-1917
In 1917 Sidney, labourer, and Charles Edward, bookkeeper, are also in Taroom.(Charles Edward was not discharged from the army till 1919 so it seems the roll was not amended in that time)
1918 Sidney and Charles Edward still in Taroom but Elizabeth is not listed - again, Charles Edward is still in the AIF in 1918.
There are too many Elizabeth CLARKEs to be able to follow her later.

I have quite a lot of further information about Emily's father Pearson THOMPSON.  As he is an aside to your prime research you may not want anything further on him.

Judith


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Re: Charles Clarke
« Reply #34 on: Wednesday 01 March 17 04:24 GMT (UK) »
Death of Charlie CLARKE 1952 at Cracow Qld.  Buried at Taroom.
http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/75826409

Judith
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Re: Charles Clarke
« Reply #35 on: Wednesday 01 March 17 09:43 GMT (UK) »
yes that is all correct as far as I known, but is there any thing on Elizabeth before she married Clark and did she marry him or just took his name as can not find any marriage for such, and where did you see that photo of them all, would love to see it
thank you for all that  you have given me
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