Before going any further, I ought to say that I'm not at all familiar with Hampshire records. The only reason I got into this thread was because it started off on a different board, which I happen to subscribe to, so I can only offer fairly general observations, and I hope there may be some Hampshire experts who can give better advice.
ref: Reply #8
Hi Arthur, and thanks for helping me back on the right path.
I have re-looked at everything with the new Mary Angell, but still cant find a marriage.
So recapping.
Marriage of:
John Peckham 1702-1777 to Mary Angel 1702-1737
If you can't find any other marriage for the Mary Angell bapt. Ringwood 1701 (see reply #3), that makes her quite a strong candidate for the 1722 marriage in Ellingham. To confirm that you'll need to look for things like wills from the Ringwood Angell family which might refer to her in her married name, or memorials - is she buried with other members of her birth family? Was the marriage by banns or licence? If by licence, the paperwork might give her father's name.
Father of John is Richard 1669 Ringwood
Siblings:
Betty, Jone 1699, William 1699, Richard 1700, Mary 1702, Henry 1703, Joseph 1703, Christen 1707.
Children:
Hannah 1741, John 1724-1791, Mary Angel Peckham 1729, Henry 1740-181, Philip 1743-1829, Ann 1750-1841.
OK, John Peckham might be fairly easy to trace, but if all those children are his, it may be a bit of a stretch to attribute them all to Mary Angell. First, they span 26 years, and second, you gave her death as 1737
(Or is that a typo?)
I suppose its possible that they didnt get married ?
Not sure what you mean by this, given that we started with the marriage, which you thought was correct.
I was also trying to get an idea of exactly where in Ringwood on a census that Richard of John lived.
For your interest many years ago I found an Aaron Peckham convict sent to Australia on the second fleet after stealing a horse, and there's losts of infornation in Australia on convicts, and people in the main are proud to have a convict as an ancestor. I happened to find Aaron today, father of a John Peckham and am wondering if its the John bp 1673 Ringwood and brother of Richard bp 1669 Ringwood in my family tree?
This is too early for censuses. The earliest one to give useful information is 1841, though there are a few survivals from 1821 and 1831 which give heads and sizes of households. For earlier periods there are sometimes things like churchwardens' accounts and manor records, but this varies greatly from one place to another. This is really the sort of question you need a local expert for.
It might just be a coincidence about finding another Aaron Peckham, but it could be worth investigating. I don't have convict connections myself, but I've occasionally seen some of the papers, and I think they normally give details of the next of kin in England. That really needs to be your starting point, to see where the trail goes back to.
As well as that, one approach that I've found helpful is to get every possible parish register entry for a given surname (plus variants) in the parish(es) of interest, plus other evidence such as wills and memorial inscriptions, and try to sort them into families. That way you can see better who belongs where, who lived where, and so on, which helps to avoid making connections where they shouldn't be.
Arthur
