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James and Bridget Cronney
« on: Monday 27 February 17 22:55 GMT (UK) »
1851 census
HO 107 / 2407 / 221/ 2
Wall Knoll, Newcastle upon Tyne
James Cronney, head, mar, 44, General Lab, Scotland
Bridget do, wife, Mar, 42, Ireland
Mary do, daur, u, 15, Servant out of Place, Northumberland Newcastle
Elizabeth do, do, do, 11, scholar, do do

I'm looking for James and Bridget  Cronney, who I can find in the 1841/51/71 census bit not the 1861 census, the name changes to Croney from 1871.  if anyone can help with this I would be very grateful.  Also anything further about James and Bridget Cronney with regard to birthplace and marriage.  If anyone can shed any light on the name change that would be helpful too. Thank you

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Re: James and Bridget Cronney
« Reply #1 on: Tuesday 28 February 17 00:24 GMT (UK) »
One piece of the 1861 for Northumberland is missing but I don't know whether your ancestors record would be in that piece

Piece number 3855   Northumberland   Castle Ward   
Stamfordham (2)   Newburn: Black Callerton    I
                Butterlaw    
                East & West Whorlton    
                Newbiggin   
                East & West Denton    
                Newburn Hall    
                Sugle
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Re: James and Bridget Cronney
« Reply #2 on: Tuesday 28 February 17 01:53 GMT (UK) »
A possibility for 1861 - still at Wall Knoll but enumerated as Casey - RG9/3829/81/11

James Casey 60  Head  Ireland  Labourer   
Bridget Casey 60  Wife  Ireland   
Maria Casey 23  Widow  Ireland     
Catherine Watson 3 Daughter Newcastle
GIBSON: Leicestershire, Durham. MORGAN: Glamorgan, Durham, Ohio. DAVIS/DAVIES/DAVID: Glamorgan, Ohio.  JACKSON: East Yorks, North Yorks, Durham. TAYLOR: North Yorks. BOURDAS: North Yorks. JEFFREYS: Worcestershire & Northumberland. CHEESMOND: Durham/Northumberland. WINTER: Durham/Northumberland. SNOWBALL: Durham.

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Re: James and Bridget Cronney
« Reply #3 on: Tuesday 28 February 17 02:19 GMT (UK) »
Maybe of help.....a possibility....the original is in Latin and too hard for me to read, but the transcript on FindMyPast is...
Joannes Cronin of N'castle married Brigida Bradash of Monagea, 21 Jan 1835 in Limerick Ireland.

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Re: James and Bridget Cronney
« Reply #4 on: Tuesday 28 February 17 03:13 GMT (UK) »
A possible birth for daughter Elizabeth has mother's maiden name as Carney

CRONNEY, ELIZABETH         CARNEY   
GRO Reference: 1839  M Quarter in NEWCASTLE UPON TYNE UNION  Volume 25  Page 304 

This is the family in 1841 - all children born in county (Northumberland):
James Cronney  30  Ireland Scotland 
Bridget Cronney  30  Ireland Scotland    
Margaret Cronney 10      
Mary Cronney 6      
Elizabeth Cronney 2

If that's correct then the marriage would have been around 1830/31.  The only other marriage I can find that looks like a maybe is 19 Nov 1830 in Tullamore, transcribed as James Cronly & Bridget Cainen.   Could Cainen & Carney could sound similar-ish to a Geordie listening to an Irish accent  ???

Added - Have re-checked the 1841 and PoB is listed as Scotland for both, so possibly that's where the marriage might be rather than Ireland?

To answer your question on the changing surname Roselight, many people couldn't read or write so any official forms were completed by others who wrote it down as they heard it.  That's difficult enough, but once you start throwing in different accents it can really get fun!
GIBSON: Leicestershire, Durham. MORGAN: Glamorgan, Durham, Ohio. DAVIS/DAVIES/DAVID: Glamorgan, Ohio.  JACKSON: East Yorks, North Yorks, Durham. TAYLOR: North Yorks. BOURDAS: North Yorks. JEFFREYS: Worcestershire & Northumberland. CHEESMOND: Durham/Northumberland. WINTER: Durham/Northumberland. SNOWBALL: Durham.

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Re: James and Bridget Cronney
« Reply #5 on: Tuesday 28 February 17 03:42 GMT (UK) »
Following my error on the 1841 I also re-checked the 1851 given by the OP, and there are a couple more children

HO 107 / 2407 / 221/ 2
Wall Knoll, Newcastle upon Tyne
James Cronney, head, mar, 44, General Lab, Scotland
Bridget do, wife, Mar, 42, Ireland
Mary do, daur, u, 15, Servant out of Place, Northumberland Newcastle
Elizabeth do, do, do, 11, scholar, do do
James 9
Helen 5


I'm not seeing these last two births under the surname Cronney, although there is this later one:

CRONNEY, JOHN      MMN   KEARNEY   
GRO Reference: 1849  S Quarter in NEWCASTLE UPON TYNE UNION  Volume 25  Page 348

Kearney / Carney both very similar.
GIBSON: Leicestershire, Durham. MORGAN: Glamorgan, Durham, Ohio. DAVIS/DAVIES/DAVID: Glamorgan, Ohio.  JACKSON: East Yorks, North Yorks, Durham. TAYLOR: North Yorks. BOURDAS: North Yorks. JEFFREYS: Worcestershire & Northumberland. CHEESMOND: Durham/Northumberland. WINTER: Durham/Northumberland. SNOWBALL: Durham.

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Re: James and Bridget Cronney
« Reply #6 on: Wednesday 01 March 17 09:51 GMT (UK) »
All christened at St Andrew's RC Church Newcastle Upon Tyne (familysearch.org):

Parents James & Bridget

Margaret CRONNY 26 Apr 1830 CRONNY/KEARNY

Mary CRONY  21 July 1834 CRONY/KEARNEY

John CRONY 24 Apr 1837 CRONY/KEARNEY

Elizabeth 21 Jan 1839       CRONY/KEARNEY

James 22 Nov 1841 CRONY/KEARNEY

John 15 July 1844  CRONAN/KEARNEY

Ellen 23 Nov 1845 CRONY/KIERNEY

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Hopps DUR & N. YKS
Howe, Richardson,Thompson all DUR

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Re: James and Bridget Cronney
« Reply #7 on: Wednesday 01 March 17 09:56 GMT (UK) »
JOHN Cronney Buried 19 Dec 1844, All Saints, age 5mths
Abode Cox's Chare
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Re: James and Bridget Cronney
« Reply #8 on: Sunday 05 March 17 12:57 GMT (UK) »
Thank you so much for the time you have taken and your contributions to my research.
I'm still no further forward in finding my Cronney family in the 1861 census, can anyone make any suggestions of how I might take this forward please?