Anderson, Richard Papplewick,England 1825 Help????

[GreenAllie]

Hello everyone, and thank you for taking the time to read anything I have to say! (I have come across a lot of dud forums, and I'm hoping for the best in regards to this one.) Ok! So...I am doing some research for my mother who is attempting to locate her Great Great (Great?) family in England, and their records. So far, we have hit a wall when it comes to one particular member. I will post all of the information I know below. My mother has been steered in the wrong direction so many times, and for us, it's very frustrating. She has ever taken the time to physically GO to Papplewick, England and hunt for more records, but it is very difficult because she is blind. Any help would  be much appreciated. We have an ancestry account, as well as use other resources online, but still cannot find anything. Thank you, thank you, thank you to any one who helps!

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Edward Anderson b. approx. 1825 (Although we did find one record that said, "1, Mar 1825...I want to believe it, as it states that the father's name is "Richard" which I believe is correct.)

Father of Edward Anderson, Richard Anderson
Mother (again, working off of Papplewick baptism record), "Mary"

HUGE GAP OF TIME

The next records I can confirm are factual.
Edward Anderson married Mary Horrocks Mar. 2, 1862 in Manchester, St. John Church, Lancashire England.  He was titled as "Widower" with a father of Richard.

Question: Who was his previous wife? Where was he for all of the previous years? It is difficult to find any information, because there is no legitimate information I can find online that ties our Edward to this mysterious "Mary" (his mother?) and his father Richard Anderson. If possible, I would like to see if Edward had any siblings as well, in order to track further down the lineage.

My mother has a theory that Edwards parents put him in a workhouse (or he went there on his own? Regardless, he ended up in one?) because she likes to speculate. I, however, prefer the factual details.

WHEW! Sorry for the rant. Any information is welcome! Thank you so much!

[AMBLY]

Hi Green Allie,

Welcome to Rootschat 
I hope we can help - it's a great forum!

A few questions from me, to start, for clarification on a few points:

Edward Anderson b. approx. 1825 (Although we did find one record that said, "1, Mar 1825...it states that the father's name is "Richard"...

Is the document a baptism?  And if so - in Papplewick? and what is Richard's stated calling (occupation) and Abode?

Father of Edward Anderson, Richard Anderson
Mother (again, working off of Papplewick baptism record), "Mary"

Do you mean :
Mother of Edward b abt 1825? (ie: wife of Richard on the document you've found) OR Mother of the two sons, Edward & Richard?

Father of Edward Anderson, Richard Anderson

Who is the father? Not clear if they are issue of "Richard & Mary" or your "Edward & Mary?" When and where were they born?

Edward Anderson married Mary Horrocks Mar. 2, 1862 in Manchester, St. John Church, Lancashire He was titled as "Widower" with a father of Richard.

What age was Edward stated to be? What was his address? His Occupation? His Father Richard's occupation and was he listed as deceased?  Witness' names?

Cheers
AMBLY

[wivenhoe]

"..her Great Great (Great?) family in England"

This is a concern because it suggests that you are uncertain to within a generation.

".......The next records I can confirm are factual.
Edward Anderson married Mary Horrocks Mar. 2, 1862 in Manchester, St. John Church, Lancashire England.  He was titled as "Widower" with a father of Richard"

This record is factual, but do you mean that you know for a fact that this marriage describes your ancestors?

And you are researching the origins of this Edward ANDERSON who married Mary HORROCKS, 1862?   If so, can you please list all the details on this marriage record.

[AMBLY]

Could I ask, what is the source of your Edward having born in Papplewick?

In the meantime:
PAPPLEWICK,.... to the north of the town of Hucknall. In modern times between 600-800 pop.  So chances are, any ANDERSON born Papplewick around the same time, are related to each other, if not sibling.

Free-Reg:
https://www.freereg.org.uk
MARRIAGE: 
1 Dec 1822, St James, Papplewick
Richard ANDERSON & Mary HARDWICK
Phillimore's Transcripts

BAPTISMS:
Parents Richard ANDERSON & Mary
Sarah ANDERSON bp 16 Feb 1823,
Edward ANDERSON bp 1 March 1824,

Cheers
AMBLY

[AMBLY]

Found the following , which is posted for our benefit    as it answers some of the questions we have:

MARRIAGE 2 March 1862: Manchester, St. John, Lancashire
Edward ANDERSON 36, Widower, Spinner, of Newton Heath,
Father: Richard ANDERSON, Labourer.
Mary HORROCKS 28, Spinster, of Newton Heath, 
Father: William HORROCKS, Labourer.
Witness: Samuel HORROCKS, Alice HORROCKS

BIRTHS (Family Search)
In Bocholt, Westfalen, Prussia for the first 7, the 8th, Carl, is on 1900 Us Census
Maria Susanna  1863 - Eduard ANDERSON, Maria HORROCKS
Johanna 1865,  Eduard ANDERSON, Maria AHROCKS
Eduardt 1866, Eduardt ANDERSON, Maria AHROCKS
William 1868, Eduard ANDERSON, Maria HORROCKS
Alice Wilhelmine,1870 - Eduard ANDERSON, Maria HORROCKS
Ida Henrietta, 1872,  - Eduard ANDERSON, Maria HORROCKS (aka Edith H in 1900)
Emma Agnes, 1873  - Eduard ANDERSON, Maria HORROCKS
Carl abt 1876, Germany

1900 US Census in Killingly, Windham, Connecticut:
The 1900 Census in CT, states
Head: Edward ANDERSON, aged 77, Born March 1823, England. Parents b England
Married 38 years to wife Mary (66) who has birthed 7 children, all 7 still living.
The 5 youngest as per the list above are in the household, all born Germany.  Edward died soon after Census.

1900 BURIAL:
Finda Grave
https://www.findagrave.com
Edward ANDERSON, b 1 Mar 1825, d 14 Oct 1900,
Inscription: s/o Richard
(It's not clear if the b. & d. dates are from the Headstone? But apparently, the name of his father is)
Westfield Cemetery,
North Street, Danielson, Windham County, Connecticut, US

(Many of the family also interred here, including his wife Mary in 1911)

Cheers
AMBLY

[sunflower]

It looks like Richard may have died young.

Papplewick

Richard Anderson buried 23.5. 1824 aged 22. 

On the baptism entry for Edward, Richards occupation was cotton spinner

Carol

[AMBLY]

And a possible remarriage of his widow, also from Free Reg?

PAPPLEWICK St James:
13 Jun 1828
Mary ANDERSON
George GREGORY

Cheers
AMBLY

[sunflower]

There is also a burial of William Anderson at Papplewick 20.7. 1824 aged 19, which may be a connection.

Carol

[AMBLY]

I think this is the widow of Richard ANDERSON, Papplewick - in 1851 & 1861 with her second husband George GREGORY & their children - no sign of any ANDERSON children. But, the last two GREGORY children - I think -  have mms surname recorded as HARDWICK for one, and ANDERSON, for the other:

1851: 4 Swainsley Court, Village of Milford, Duffield, Derbyshire
HO107 - Piece 2144 / Folio 161 / Pg25
Head: George GREGORY 47, Cotton Spinner, b Basford, Nottinghamshire
Wife: Mary 48, b Mansfield, Nottinghamshire
Son: William 21, unm, Bleacher,
Son: Alfred 18, unm, Cotton Spinner,
Son: Jabez 16, unm, Cotton Spinner,
Son: Levi 9, Bleacher & Scholar,
Dau: Ruth 11mo
All children, born Milford, Derbyshire

1861: 1 Warehouses, Village of Milford, Duffield, Derbyshire
RG 9 - Piece 2507 / Folio 77 / Pg13
Head: George GREGORY 54, Cotton Spinner, b Old Badford, Nottinghamshire
Wife: Mary 57, b Mansfield, Nottinghamshire
Son: Alfred 27, unm, Cotton Spinner,
Son: Jabaz 22, unm, Cotton Spinner,
Son: Levi 18, unm, Bleacher
Dau: Lucy 11, Bleacher,  (think this is "Ruth" in 1851)
All children, born Milford, Derbyshire

Milford comes under the Belper Registration District.
Two of those children, Levi and Lucy (Ruth),  were born after start of Civil registration:
GRO UK:
https://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/indexes_search.asp

BIRTH: Levi GREGORY , reg Jun Qtr 1843, Belper Union, mms: HARDWICK
BIRTH: Lucy GREGORY, reg Jun Qtr 1850,  Belper Union, mms: ANDERSON

and there appears to be another child:
BIRTH Charles GREGORY, reg: Jun Qtr 1845, Belper Union, mms: HARDWICK
DEATH: Charles GREGORY, Sep Qtr 1850, Belper Union

Cheers
AMBLY