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Re: Welsh/clark
« Reply #18 on: Tuesday 09 May 17 17:06 BST (UK) »
Wow thank you so much for that information.other than parents names & millfield Avenue,it's the closest information we have been told about Mary.now my next search needs to include information on Frank Clark which I know is not allowed on here as he is still alive.
I also need to find other information on her deceased brothers.this is so interesting.thank you again.

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Re: Welsh/clark
« Reply #19 on: Tuesday 09 May 17 18:50 BST (UK) »
Did the Welsh family also come from Millfield Avenue? I can remember Margaret Welsh, she married someone called Montague, we pronounced it Mon - taig. I met one of her sons a few years ago and he was very offended when I said it like that!
I think they lived next to the Neillys, or perhaps they were in the cul-de-sac, I can't remember after all these years. My grandparents lived in Northfield St and we used to know everyone in the Daisy Park, unfortunately I can't think of the name Clark! It may come back in a flash.

I think this picture was taken in Millfield but no Clarks in it. It's Nellie Merrilies, Lizzie Toal, Mrs Bulloch and Lizzie's mother. Probably taken just before the war, 1938 - 39 perhaps.
Paterson, Torrance, Gilchrist - Hamilton Lanarkshire. 
McCallum - Oban, McKechnie - Ross of Mull Argyll.
Scrim - Perthshire. 
Liddell - Polmont,
Binnie - Muiravonside Stirlingshire.
Curran, McCafferty, Stevenson, McCue - Co Donegal
Gibbons, Weldon - Co Mayo.
Devlin - Co Tyrone.
Leonard - County Donegal & Glasgow.

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Re: Welsh/clark
« Reply #20 on: Tuesday 09 May 17 18:57 BST (UK) »
Mary's mother's maiden name was Mary Toal (born 1905 Lurgan, Ireland. She married Francis Clark (born 1908 Scott Street, Motherwell) in St Mary's Church, Motherwell, date unknown. John, oldest brother was born September 1932, James born June 1944, Frank born February 1942 and Alexander born May 1949.

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Re: Welsh/clark
« Reply #21 on: Tuesday 09 May 17 19:07 BST (UK) »
Lodger.  There were Welsh's stayed at No 7 Millfield Avenue next to the McShane's at No. 5. Bella McShane was Mary Clark (Toal)'s aunt. The Montague's lived at No 9 Millfield Avenue next door to the Neilly's. 


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Re: Welsh/clark
« Reply #22 on: Tuesday 09 May 17 21:16 BST (UK) »
Thank you so much everyone.this really is helpful.so does anyone know who Lizzie Toal is in relation to Mary Toal?
Now I need to find the history of these people to lead to those still alive today.
This means more to me & my father than I can ever explain.thank you

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Re: Welsh/clark
« Reply #23 on: Tuesday 09 May 17 22:50 BST (UK) »
1weenelly63

I remember the McShanes very well and of course the Neillys. Wee Maggie Neilly's father went by the name of Darkie Rodgers, he ran the billiard rooms at Oakfield Place. I think all the Neillys are dead now apart from Tom, he lives somewhere in the north of England, the Lake district? I was his apprentice when he had the bakehouse in Merry Street, so I knew all of them. others in Millfield Ave were Sadie Hughes (I think she's in the Old Folks Home down at Parkneuk), her brother Johnnie was a smashing chap, I still meet one of his daughter's now and again. Nellie & Dick Merrilees were great friends of my grandparents, Dick played the drums in Duffy's Hotel. Dan McCue was a pal of my granda's from school, he used to tell us kids that he and Dan were the last of the Motherwell Dazzle Boys - but we never found out what that meant!
Then there were the O'Hara's, (connected to the McShanes?) the old man had married twice so there were 2 families of them, each kind of ignoring the other ones existence. June O'Hara was one of the younger ones. Also the Brown's were in either Millfield or Craigview. My grannie was always on about "Auld Broon" (who was probably younger than her) her eldest boy (Geordie Prentice) had been engaged to one of my mother's sisters but he was killed at the battle for Monte Casino.
Jeannie Jones lived in Craigview Rd, which was really just a part of Millfield Ave, Jeannie was lovely and she and my granny were life-long friends and, spookily, are buried opposite each other in Airbles cemetery. My grandda's sister lived "back-to-back" with Jeannie, in Braidhurst Street.

I think all these people who lived in the Daisy Park had the great advantage of already knowing each other before they moved to the area. They had all previously lived in Park/Scott/Dalziel and Albert Streets and simply carried on where they had left off.

This picture was taken outside 20 Braidhurst Street, probably about 1944.
Paterson, Torrance, Gilchrist - Hamilton Lanarkshire. 
McCallum - Oban, McKechnie - Ross of Mull Argyll.
Scrim - Perthshire. 
Liddell - Polmont,
Binnie - Muiravonside Stirlingshire.
Curran, McCafferty, Stevenson, McCue - Co Donegal
Gibbons, Weldon - Co Mayo.
Devlin - Co Tyrone.
Leonard - County Donegal & Glasgow.

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Re: Welsh/clark
« Reply #24 on: Tuesday 09 May 17 23:02 BST (UK) »
I've just had a thought. (Yes, I know it isn't like me Sancti).

I know a lady and will probably speak to her tomorrow, she is about 80 and I think her mother was one of the McShane's. She will know the whole family history, that's for sure, so I'll quiz her about the Clark side.
Paterson, Torrance, Gilchrist - Hamilton Lanarkshire. 
McCallum - Oban, McKechnie - Ross of Mull Argyll.
Scrim - Perthshire. 
Liddell - Polmont,
Binnie - Muiravonside Stirlingshire.
Curran, McCafferty, Stevenson, McCue - Co Donegal
Gibbons, Weldon - Co Mayo.
Devlin - Co Tyrone.
Leonard - County Donegal & Glasgow.

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Re: Welsh/clark
« Reply #25 on: Wednesday 10 May 17 07:44 BST (UK) »
That would be brilliant.Thank you.i know all the other clarks are deceased but it would be interesting to know Frank's whereabouts.he would be my fathers only living relative.
Thank you

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Re: Welsh/clark
« Reply #26 on: Wednesday 10 May 17 08:46 BST (UK) »
From the burial records of Cambusnethan cemetery. All dates are of interment, not death.

RICHARD WELSH, Newmains, aged 18 months.
Parents - Nicholas Welsh & Catherine Campbell.
Interred in plot E543 2nd June 1899.

also in that lair (or plot)

ANN CAMPBELL, Newmains, aged 72 years, widow.
Parents - Arthur McGill & Helen McCafferty.
Plot E543 20th November 1899.

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BRIDGET CAMPBELL, domestic servant, Newmains, aged 16 years, unmarried.
Parents - James Campbell & Ann McGill.
Interred in common ground, 27th June 1868.

There may be a headstone at E543, I will check today if possible.
Paterson, Torrance, Gilchrist - Hamilton Lanarkshire. 
McCallum - Oban, McKechnie - Ross of Mull Argyll.
Scrim - Perthshire. 
Liddell - Polmont,
Binnie - Muiravonside Stirlingshire.
Curran, McCafferty, Stevenson, McCue - Co Donegal
Gibbons, Weldon - Co Mayo.
Devlin - Co Tyrone.
Leonard - County Donegal & Glasgow.