Seghill as 'Segul/Segil'? Does that make sense.

[JenB]

How does her name appear in the 1851?  The only Isabella Andrews that is coming up for me was born in Sunderland.

Christine, Ilona has said that Isabella married Alexander Hall, so we need to look for Isabella Hall 

If I have the right family in 1861 she is in Gateshead, with her daughter Isabella Harwood, RG 9 / 3803 / 30 / 21. Isabella Hall's birthplace looks like 'Cy', I can't make anything of it. Isabella Harwood's birthplace is in County Durham. Is this the correct family?

These two Isabellas are also together in 1851, HO 107 / 2404 / 13 / 18. I can't make much of Isabella Hall's birthplace, but it isn't Seghill. it seems to start with a 'C'. They are living in Benwell, not Gallow Hill.

Ilona, please can you give the full census reference for the Isabella you found in 1851 with the birthplace Seghill?

[Radcliff]

so please may I ask
if you have completely ruled out the Isabella Andrew baptised
1st Jan 1781 daughter of Andrew and Elizabeth Andrew
Spitall a non conformist record on Familysearch org
58 miles as the crow flies

[Stanwix England]

Hi c-side, JenB and Radcliffe

Yes that is the right family. I have her appearing on the census in 41, 51, 61, and 71

On 41 it just says Northumberland

On 51 it's the one that I think says Seg Hill although it's written either Sugil or Segil

On 61, my best guess is that 'Cy' stands for county. It's repeated down the form for other people who come from places like Lancashire. I don't think it gives a more specific location.

On 71 she is living on her own. The people in the house next door to her have two sons at the bottom of the entry who were also born in Northumberland. So when he gets to her the enumerator just does a 'ditto' mark.  The two sons birthplace is narrowed down 'Brookshill' according to the transcription on Ancestry, this is entered next to the first sons name. The second son has two 'ditto' marks, one under 'Northumberland' and one under 'Brookshill'. In contrast on Isabella's entry there is only one ditto mark, under Northumberland. So I interpret this to mean that she was from Northumberland, but not from Brookshill like the two boys.

I don't know how to give a full census reference. I got this, is this what you mean?

Class: HO107; Piece: 2413; Folio: 233; Page: 7; GSU roll: 87091

I haven't found the record you've spoken of Radcliff, so I'll have to look at that.

Thank you all for your help, I think I've answered all the questions?? Apologies if I've missed one.

[Radcliff]

Her marriage is in Hartburn
Alexander Hall of this parish
and Isabella Andrews of this parish
Feb 3rd 1807


Eleanor Hall
born 5th October 1807
baptised Hartburn
December 13th 1807
first daughter of
Alexander Hall of Garden House,a gardener and
Isabellahis wife daughter of Rich Andrews a farmer,looks like Forth

[JenB]

I hope you don't mind me saying, but unless I am misunderstanding something you don't have the right family in 1851 

If this is the family unit in 1861

Isabella Harwood, head, widow, 34, ? Durham
Isabella Hall, mother, do, 80, ? Northumberland
Mary Harwood, daug, unm, 12, do
Isabella do, do, 10, do
Elizabeth do, do, 8, ? Lancashire
Ralph do, son, 6, do
Sarah do, daug, do, 4, do
Ann Margret do, do, 2, ? Northumberland

Is this not the same family in 1851?

HO 107 / 2404 / 13 / 18
Benwell
Absent, head, mar, millwright
Isabella Harwood, wife, mar, 26, Durham West Auckland
Edmond do, son, 8, do do
Jane do, daur, 6, Northumberland Benwell
Mary do, daur, 5 months, do do
Isabella Hall, wife mother, widow, 70, Northumberland ? Preston

[JenB]

Eleanor Hall
born 5th October 1807
baptised Hartburn
December 13th 1807
first daughter of
Alexander Hall of Garden House,a gardener and
Isabellahis wife daughter of Rich Andrews a farmer,looks like Forth

That's a nice find. Three cheers for Bishop Shute Barrington and his comprehensive baptism entries 

[Radcliff]

young Eleanor
dies aged 4 months  and is buried on 23rd Jan 1808
her home is given as Garden House Longwitton


they name their second daughter Eleanor also
born November 2nd 1808

[JenB]

Isabellahis wife daughter of Rich Andrews a farmer,looks like Forth

Yes, I also think it says Forth. http://www.rootschat.com/links/01jn8/

[Stanwix England]

Hi Radcliff and JenB

It wouldn't be the first time I'd messed up so you might be right. 

I can't check my info right now, but I'll have a look and get back to you tonight.

Thanks