Hit a brickwall with my family tree, could use some help

[trish1120]

1841 we have Frederick Denham 1811
1851 Fredk Denham born 1809 Walsall
1871 Frederick Denham ditto

[nayngnottz94]

Bit confused as too Marriage 12 years after William was born?

Had just found this on FreeREG giving as bit more detail of 1812 marriage - agree it's confusing
to be 12 years later - I can't see any other 

All Saints 13 Jan 1812
Joseph DENHAM
Groom parish   West Bromwich
Lydia WHITEHOUSE
Bride parish   West Bromwich
Witness   Michael POULTON
Witness   Hannah WOODHALL
Register note   Bride & Groom's conditions not given.
Bride & both Witnesses sign X
Register type   Transcript
Transcriber notes

Was it a must do thing back then then to be married before children?

[Mabel Bagshawe]

FreeREG has these Baptism to Joseph/Lydia;
ANN 8 March 1813
ANN/FREDERICK 29 Sept 1822

So was Ann Bapt twice?
She must be the same as she would have been age 20ish to have Lydia Bullers in 1832

the first baptism was in an independant chapel, the second in a CofE establishment. perhaps someone had an issue with her baptism by nonconformists. having said that, her children are baptised in the nonconformist chapel

[Mabel Bagshawe]

Bit confused as too Marriage 12 years after William was born?

Had just found this on FreeREG giving as bit more detail of 1812 marriage - agree it's confusing
to be 12 years later - I can't see any other 

All Saints 13 Jan 1812
Joseph DENHAM
Groom parish   West Bromwich
Lydia WHITEHOUSE
Bride parish   West Bromwich
Witness   Michael POULTON
Witness   Hannah WOODHALL
Register note   Bride & Groom's conditions not given.
Bride & both Witnesses sign X
Register type   Transcript
Transcriber notes

Was it a must do thing back then then to be married before children?

I'm wondering - do we know how old Joseph was? There are four children baptised to Joseph and Hannah between 1786 and 1792, including a Sarah, all in Bridge St Independent Chapel, Walsall, where Ann is baptised in 1813 and favoured by the Denham descendent.

The late marriage of Joseph and Lydia (and late recording of William) could be related to there being a first Mrs Denham.  there's a marriage on 12 Nov 1783 between Joseph denham and Hannah Bott at St Matthew, Walsall

[nayngnottz94]

Bit confused as too Marriage 12 years after William was born?

Had just found this on FreeREG giving as bit more detail of 1812 marriage - agree it's confusing
to be 12 years later - I can't see any other 

All Saints 13 Jan 1812
Joseph DENHAM
Groom parish   West Bromwich
Lydia WHITEHOUSE
Bride parish   West Bromwich
Witness   Michael POULTON
Witness   Hannah WOODHALL
Register note   Bride & Groom's conditions not given.
Bride & both Witnesses sign X
Register type   Transcript
Transcriber notes

Was it a must do thing back then then to be married before children?

I'm wondering - do we know how old Joseph was? There are four children baptised to Joseph and Hannah between 1786 and 1792, including a Sarah, all in Bridge St Independent Chapel, Walsall, where Ann is baptised in 1813 and favoured by the Denham descendent.

The late marriage of Joseph and Lydia (and late recording of William) could be related to there being a first Mrs Denham.  there's a marriage on 12 Nov 1783 between Joseph denham and Hannah Bott at St Matthew, Walsall

Not a clue how old Joseph was, all i have is his name, and that he had a child called Anne, and William

[nayngnottz94]

Bit confused as too Marriage 12 years after William was born?

Had just found this on FreeREG giving as bit more detail of 1812 marriage - agree it's confusing
to be 12 years later - I can't see any other 

All Saints 13 Jan 1812
Joseph DENHAM
Groom parish   West Bromwich
Lydia WHITEHOUSE
Bride parish   West Bromwich
Witness   Michael POULTON
Witness   Hannah WOODHALL
Register note   Bride & Groom's conditions not given.
Bride & both Witnesses sign X
Register type   Transcript
Transcriber notes

Was it a must do thing back then then to be married before children?

I'm wondering - do we know how old Joseph was? There are four children baptised to Joseph and Hannah between 1786 and 1792, including a Sarah, all in Bridge St Independent Chapel, Walsall, where Ann is baptised in 1813 and favoured by the Denham descendent.

The late marriage of Joseph and Lydia (and late recording of William) could be related to there being a first Mrs Denham.  there's a marriage on 12 Nov 1783 between Joseph denham and Hannah Bott at St Matthew, Walsall

Anne's birthdate is 26 Feb 1813 her baptism date is 8 Mar 1813 > Baptism place Bridge Street Independent,Walsall,Stafford,England

[nayngnottz94]

Bit confused as too Marriage 12 years after William was born?

Had just found this on FreeREG giving as bit more detail of 1812 marriage - agree it's confusing
to be 12 years later - I can't see any other 

All Saints 13 Jan 1812
Joseph DENHAM
Groom parish   West Bromwich
Lydia WHITEHOUSE
Bride parish   West Bromwich
Witness   Michael POULTON
Witness   Hannah WOODHALL
Register note   Bride & Groom's conditions not given.
Bride & both Witnesses sign X
Register type   Transcript
Transcriber notes

Was it a must do thing back then then to be married before children?

I'm wondering - do we know how old Joseph was? There are four children baptised to Joseph and Hannah between 1786 and 1792, including a Sarah, all in Bridge St Independent Chapel, Walsall, where Ann is baptised in 1813 and favoured by the Denham descendent.

The late marriage of Joseph and Lydia (and late recording of William) could be related to there being a first Mrs Denham.  there's a marriage on 12 Nov 1783 between Joseph denham and Hannah Bott at St Matthew, Walsall

Just found this on ancestry but of course its only a hint!

[nayngnottz94]

Says Joseph was 35 in 1861 🤔

[nayngnottz94]

There was a Mary Anne Denham and a Sarah also in the household! Sarah was age 7 Mary age 4