Hit a brickwall with my family tree, could use some help

[nayngnottz94]

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[nayngnottz94]

William was born in 1800 so this bloke cant be his father,

[Ladyhawk]

I've tracked my family back to the beginning of the 1800's with
William Denham 1800-1874 and
Eliza Davis 1808-1885

Can I just confirm that this is your William Denham on the censuses

1841
Lionel Street, Birmingham, Warwickshire
William   Denham   1800 occ Cooper   -   
Eliza            1808   Warwickshire   
Alfred         1827   Warwickshire
Maria         1833   Warwickshire   
Thomas         1834   Warwickshire
Clara         1840   Warwickshire   

1851   
Finch Street, Handsworth, West Bromwich, Staffordshire
William Denham   1801 Walsall, Staffordshire occ   Cooper Empy 2 Men   
Eliza            1809 Birmingham         
Rosa            1833         
Clara                 1841         
William         1845         
Julia            1848         

1861
138, Hatherton Street, Walsall, Staffordshire,
written above Eliza’s name
Denham Head Absent
Eliza   Denham   Married   1808    
Clara E                            1841      
William                        1845         
Julia                           1848      

GRO indexes give mother's maiden name DAVIS
1840 Clara Eliza DENHAM
1845 William Henry DENHAM
1847 Julia Agnes DENHAM

[nayngnottz94]

I've tracked my family back to the beginning of the 1800's with
William Denham 1800-1874 and
Eliza Davis 1808-1885

Can I just confirm that this is your William Denham on the censuses

1841
Lionel Street, Birmingham, Warwickshire
William   Denham   1800 occ Cooper   -   
Eliza            1808   Warwickshire   
Alfred         1827   Warwickshire
Maria         1833   Warwickshire   
Thomas         1834   Warwickshire
Clara         1840   Warwickshire   

1851   
Finch Street, Handsworth, West Bromwich, Staffordshire
William Denham   1801 Walsall, Staffordshire occ   Cooper Empy 2 Men   
Eliza            1809 Birmingham         
Rosa            1833         
Clara                 1841         
William         1845         
Julia            1848         

1861
138, Hatherton Street, Walsall, Staffordshire,
written above Eliza’s name
Denham Head Absent
Eliza   Denham   Married   1808    
Clara E                            1841      
William                        1845         
Julia                           1848      

GRO indexes give mother's maiden name DAVIS
1840 Clara Eliza DENHAM
1845 William Henry DENHAM
1847 Julia Agnes DENHAM

that's the one

[nayngnottz94]

That Alfred is the bloke who shot him self in the head!

[trish1120]

Quote from Mabel;
'm wondering - do we know how old Joseph was? There are four children baptised to Joseph and Hannah between 1786 and 1792, including a Sarah, all in Bridge St Independent Chapel, Walsall, where Ann is baptised in 1813 and favoured by the Denham descendent.

BURIALS;
11 Nov 1792, St Matthews Burial Ground, Walsall, HANNAH, Wife of JOSEPH Denham
25 Dec 1836, St Matthew, Walsall, JOSEPH Denham age 72, abode Rushall St (Birth c 1764)*****

So very possible that Joseph was married twice.

Joseph/Hannah Baptised Children;
JOHN 1786
SARAH 1788
EDMUND 1790
JOSEPH 1792, born 1791

JOSEPH Denham Baptised 25 Sept 1764, St Matthew, Walsall
Father EDWARD, Mother ANN
Sibling EDMUND, 27 May 1766, Parents EDMUND/ANN
(Edward/Edmund are inter-changable)

MARRIAGE 6 Sept 1762 same Church
Edmund DENHAM, Bachelor to Ann LOWBRIDGE, Spinster
Notes; By Licence. Groom and witnesses sign the register. Bride signs (X).

All above in FreeREG

[trish1120]

Re Sarah Smith, Williams Sister 1788 ;

1851 Census
Birmingham, Warwickshire
Thomas SMITH, 40, Head, Mar, ? Pistol Maker, born Birmingham
SARAH Smith, 63, Wife, Mar, born 1788 Walsall, Staffordshire*******
Jeremiah Ginder, 31, Mar, Gun Finisher, born Walsall
Ann Ginder, 31
John Z Ginder, 3
Julia A Ginder, 10


Sarah DENHAM married Edward GINDER 25 May 1812, St Lawrence, Darlaston, Staffordsgire
JOHN Denham was a Witness
(FreeREG)

F/S has several Children to Edward/Sarah Ginder, but cant find Jeremiah

Marriage F/S.Org;
Sarah GINDER to Thomas SMITH, 25 February 1839, Aston Juxta Birmingham, Warwick, England   

[nayngnottz94]

I've tracked my family back to the beginning of the 1800's with
William Denham 1800-1874 and
Eliza Davis 1808-1885

Can I just confirm that this is your William Denham on the censuses

1841
Lionel Street, Birmingham, Warwickshire
William   Denham   1800 occ Cooper   -   
Eliza            1808   Warwickshire   
Alfred         1827   Warwickshire
Maria         1833   Warwickshire   
Thomas         1834   Warwickshire
Clara         1840   Warwickshire   

1851   
Finch Street, Handsworth, West Bromwich, Staffordshire
William Denham   1801 Walsall, Staffordshire occ   Cooper Empy 2 Men   
Eliza            1809 Birmingham         
Rosa            1833         
Clara                 1841         
William         1845         
Julia            1848         

1861
138, Hatherton Street, Walsall, Staffordshire,
written above Eliza’s name
Denham Head Absent
Eliza   Denham   Married   1808    
Clara E                            1841      
William                        1845         
Julia                           1848      

GRO indexes give mother's maiden name DAVIS
1840 Clara Eliza DENHAM
1845 William Henry DENHAM
1847 Julia Agnes DENHAM

Sorry my post was deleted, yes that is correct

[nayngnottz94]

Re Sarah Smith, Williams Sister 1788 ;

1851 Census
Birmingham, Warwickshire
Thomas SMITH, 40, Head, Mar, ? Pistol Maker, born Birmingham
SARAH Smith, 63, Wife, Mar, born 1788 Walsall, Staffordshire*******
Jeremiah Ginder, 31, Mar, Gun Finisher, born Walsall
Ann Ginder, 31
John Z Ginder, 3
Julia A Ginder, 10


Sarah DENHAM married Edward GINDER 25 May 1812, St Lawrence, Darlaston, Staffordsgire
JOHN Denham was a Witness
(FreeREG)

F/S has several Children to Edward/Sarah Ginder, but cant find Jeremiah

Marriage F/S.Org;
Sarah GINDER to Thomas SMITH, 25 February 1839, Aston Juxta Birmingham, Warwick, England

Hi Trish, thank you for the hard research you've put in to this, this is very kind of you and i appreciate it ALOT, very very greatful