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*COMPLETED* Ancestry - not showing Scotland Passenger List
« on: Tuesday 07 March 17 23:59 GMT (UK) »
Hi Folks,

Has anyone else with a UK sub, noticed that we can access/view the Passenger Lists leaving from England but not from Scotland  ???

Considering it's a UK sub, I find this to be racist.

Do any others agree as I think it's a disgrace?

Annie

Added To access/view Passenger Lists leaving from Scotland I need a Worldwide Sub!
South Uist, Inverness-shire, Scotland:- Bowie, Campbell, Cumming, Currie

Ireland:- Cullen, Flannigan (Derry), Donahoe/Donaghue (variants) (Cork), McCrate (Tipperary), Mellon, Tol(l)and (Donegal & Tyrone)

Newcastle-on-Tyne/Durham (Northumberland):- Harrison, Jude, Kemp, Lunn, Mellon, Robson, Stirling

Kettering, Northampton:- MacKinnon

Canada:- Callaghan, Cumming, MacPhee

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Re: Ancestry (Racist) ???
« Reply #1 on: Wednesday 08 March 17 00:07 GMT (UK) »
Perhaps they have not yet obtained permission to access the Scottish passenger lists?

I am in Australia, and of course, Australia is a federation, so each state/territory has their own parliament, system of government, archives, bdms, etc.    The organisations like Ancestry FindMyPast and others need to negotiate with each state/territory to gain access to their respective archives/official records/registers etc. 

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Re: Ancestry (Racist) ???
« Reply #2 on: Wednesday 08 March 17 00:07 GMT (UK) »
Since when are the English and the Scots classified as different races?
Wiltshire:  Banks, Taylor
Somerset:  Duddridge, Richards, Barnard, Pillinger
Gloucestershire:  Barnard, Marsh, Crossman
Bristol:  Banks, Duddridge, Barnard
Down:  Ennis, McGee
Wicklow:  Chapman, Pepper
Wigtownshire:  Logan, Conning
Wisconsin:  Ennis, Chapman, Logan, Ware
Maine:  Ware, Mitchell, Tarr, Davis

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Re: Ancestry (Racist) ???
« Reply #3 on: Wednesday 08 March 17 00:16 GMT (UK) »
Errr .... My Scottish ancestors maintained they were not English !  My Cornish ancestors also maintained they were not English....

Neither of those families spoke English until they had migrated to Australia and discovered it was the language spoken here.   

Two Scottish families are in my NSW family tree.  First arrived in the 1790s,  and second arrived 1800s.   The two Cornish ancestors arrived 1840s,  tin miners and also mariners! 

My Irish ancestors also only learnt to read and write and speak English after arriving in NSW during the gold rushes (1850s/1860s).

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Re: Ancestry (Racist) ???
« Reply #4 on: Wednesday 08 March 17 00:20 GMT (UK) »
Okay, different ethnic groups but not different races.
Wiltshire:  Banks, Taylor
Somerset:  Duddridge, Richards, Barnard, Pillinger
Gloucestershire:  Barnard, Marsh, Crossman
Bristol:  Banks, Duddridge, Barnard
Down:  Ennis, McGee
Wicklow:  Chapman, Pepper
Wigtownshire:  Logan, Conning
Wisconsin:  Ennis, Chapman, Logan, Ware
Maine:  Ware, Mitchell, Tarr, Davis

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Re: Ancestry (Racist) ???
« Reply #5 on: Wednesday 08 March 17 00:23 GMT (UK) »
In Australia, discrimination based on ethnicity is labelled 'racist', so the word may have similar broad meaning to our OP too

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Re: Ancestry (Racist) ???
« Reply #6 on: Wednesday 08 March 17 00:26 GMT (UK) »
Since when are the English and the Scots classified as different races?

That's my question!

Seems if you have Worldwide sub for Ancestry you can view the Passenger Lists for immigrants leaving from Scotland but if you only have a UK sub you can only access the Passengers leaving from England both of which are UK.

Annie
South Uist, Inverness-shire, Scotland:- Bowie, Campbell, Cumming, Currie

Ireland:- Cullen, Flannigan (Derry), Donahoe/Donaghue (variants) (Cork), McCrate (Tipperary), Mellon, Tol(l)and (Donegal & Tyrone)

Newcastle-on-Tyne/Durham (Northumberland):- Harrison, Jude, Kemp, Lunn, Mellon, Robson, Stirling

Kettering, Northampton:- MacKinnon

Canada:- Callaghan, Cumming, MacPhee

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Re: Ancestry (Racist) ???
« Reply #7 on: Wednesday 08 March 17 00:32 GMT (UK) »
Errr .... My Scottish ancestors maintained they were not English !

JM

And quite correct JM  :)

I'm not English although born in the UK in a different country called SCOTLAND which I've seen written as Scotland, England  ???  ::)

Annie

Added Wales is a different country too within the UK but I've never seen that written as Wales, England (to date)  ;D

South Uist, Inverness-shire, Scotland:- Bowie, Campbell, Cumming, Currie

Ireland:- Cullen, Flannigan (Derry), Donahoe/Donaghue (variants) (Cork), McCrate (Tipperary), Mellon, Tol(l)and (Donegal & Tyrone)

Newcastle-on-Tyne/Durham (Northumberland):- Harrison, Jude, Kemp, Lunn, Mellon, Robson, Stirling

Kettering, Northampton:- MacKinnon

Canada:- Callaghan, Cumming, MacPhee

"OLD GENEALOGISTS NEVER DIE - THEY JUST LOSE THEIR CENSUS"

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Re: Ancestry (Racist) ???
« Reply #8 on: Wednesday 08 March 17 00:40 GMT (UK) »
In Australia, discrimination based on ethnicity is labelled 'racist', so the word may have similar broad meaning to our OP too

JM

Yes JM, 'Racist' has broader meanings.....

"Race is the classification of humans into groups based on physical traits, ancestry, genetics or social relations" from link below;

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_(human_categorization)

Annie

South Uist, Inverness-shire, Scotland:- Bowie, Campbell, Cumming, Currie

Ireland:- Cullen, Flannigan (Derry), Donahoe/Donaghue (variants) (Cork), McCrate (Tipperary), Mellon, Tol(l)and (Donegal & Tyrone)

Newcastle-on-Tyne/Durham (Northumberland):- Harrison, Jude, Kemp, Lunn, Mellon, Robson, Stirling

Kettering, Northampton:- MacKinnon

Canada:- Callaghan, Cumming, MacPhee

"OLD GENEALOGISTS NEVER DIE - THEY JUST LOSE THEIR CENSUS"