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Roy family of Rothes and Fochabers
« on: Wednesday 08 March 17 13:51 GMT (UK) »
Hi,

I've hit the proverbial brick wall with my Scottish ancestors and wondered if anyone could offer guidance. I've traced my lineage back to a George Roy, 1795-1864, baptised at the Chapel of Orton (Inchberry) and latterly a carpenter in Fochabers, but cannot seem to locate his parents with any certainty.

I have baptism and death certificates for George and his siblings John (b. 1789) and Helen (1791-1857) which list the parents as John Roy, a salmon fisherman and crofter latterly of Fochabers, and Helen Gordon, but cannot find records of their marriage on ScotlandsPeople. I have a suspicion that they may have been Catholic due to the baptisms at Orton chapel and realise therefore that marriage records may be unavailable at that time. With no timeframe for their births (presumably before 1771 if they were 18 at the first child's birth) or deaths (post-1795 when the eldest was born) I'm having real trouble working out who they were.

The witnesses at the baptism of Helen in 1791 include James Roy and Helen Johnston, whom I believe I have found in their late 80s in Dundurcas at the 1841 census. I suspect that James is the brother of my John Roy (rather than his father) as he and Helen Johnston did not have children registered together until 1786 at the earliest. That has led me to scour ScotlandsPeople for records of a John and James Roy being born to the same parents around Rothes, and in approximately the right timeframe for James to have been born c. 1750s, but with the names being so common I'm not having a great deal of luck narrowing the field. Libindx hasn't thrown up any likely candidates for either John or James.

Has anyone researched the Roy family around this area and found these people before? Am I missing something blindingly obvious that would allow me to identify John? What other sources could I search for details of George's parents? Or have I reached as far back as I'm likely to be able to go?

Many thanks in advance for any help you can offer.

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Re: Roy family of Rothes and Fochabers
« Reply #1 on: Friday 10 March 17 13:22 GMT (UK) »
There is a Helen Roy nee Johnston c.1755 husband James Roy farmer Kirkhill Dundurcas Rothes they had a daughter Isabella, Helen died 18 Dec 1850 aged 95 Headstone ref Bt62 Lynemore Botriphine hope this helps

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Re: Roy family of Rothes and Fochabers
« Reply #2 on: Tuesday 02 May 17 10:09 BST (UK) »
If they were Roman Catholic, any surviving records are available on Scotland's People.

If you go to https://www.nrscotland.gov.uk/research/guides/old-parish-registers/list-of-old-parish-registers and select Moray, then Rothes, you will see that the marriage records of the parish of Rothes have not survived from the period when your John Roy and Helen Gordon were married.

The Rothes parish register for much of the 18th century is very helpful, because the baptism records give not only the parents' residence and names of witnesses, but also the witnesses' residences and their relationship (if any) to the child. Using this information I have been able to deduce, for instance, the name of my 5th-great-grandmother and the parentage of several other relatives.

I have a John Roy who married Jean Leslie in Rothes in 1812. If you can confirm whom your John b 1789 married, and when he died, I could then definitely eliminate him as a possible candidate to be Jean's husband, who died before the start of statutory civil registration so there is no death certificate to be sought.
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