John Henry and Beatrice Jane C.M. Crisp

[j-allen]

I am having trouble finding any information from 1901 to 1938 for this couple.

John Henry Crisp b.1869 Lilbourne, Rubgy married Beatrice Jane Christiana Mary King in Sutton Coldfield in 1898 and had a child Muriel Annie in Dec. qtr 1899. Before he married John Henry had on 3.12.1891 joined the Royal Engineers, Birmingham aged 22yrs. 11 mths. as a carpenter.
On the 1901 census: Beatrice Crisp 25, Reservist Pay, Muriel 1, East Lynn, Boldmere Road, Sutton Coldfield, Warwks. I assume John Henry is away with his Unit.

Then all information seems to come to a halt. I cannot find anyone on the 1911 census and I know why they are not on the 1939 Register. On 2.11.1938 on the Ship Esperance Bay – Departure from Southampton, Mr. John H. Crisp – Scot’s Arms Hotel, Great Barr, Birmingham, landing in Fremantle, Western Australia – Retired aged 70. Mrs. Beatrice Crisp, same address, Housewife 63 and I have no idea what happened to Muriel as she is not sailing with them.

I am also interested in why they gave their address as Scot's Arms Hotel, Great Barr on the ship's manifest (although looking it up I see it is Scott Arms) Were they the proprietors of this establishment? Or had they sold up before embarking on their voyage to Australia and were just staying there until the ship sailed?

Any help in filling in the gaps would be extremely appreciated. Many thanks.

[rosie99]

Deaths Sep qtr 1949   
Muriel A Crisp age  49   
Solihull    9c   718

I think you can ignore that one as she appears to be married 

[j-allen]

Thanks rosie99 that could well be her.

[rosie99]

I discounted her as I don't think that is her as there is someone with that name in that area who is married on 1939 register 

[cath151]

Possible relative?
Birmingham Mail
27th Feb 1939
"West Bromwich Albion players attended the funeral of Mr John Crisp, licensee of the Scotts Arms Hotel, Great Barr for the past 5 years"
He apparently played for them in his past.
Further snippets give his age as 43 and his widow as Ada Crisp to whom the licence of the Scotts Arms was transferred.
Midland Electoral rolls have a Muriel Annie Crisp living with a Henry Crisp in 1930 and 1935 at 28 Melrose Road, Handsworth.
Also a small piece in the newspaper of a marriage in 1942 of Trooper Stanley Pearson and Miss Muriel Crisp who" resides in Birmingham". No details of her family though.

Cathy

[MaureeninNY]

The CRISPs seem to be in Western Australia as early as 1910. (Australia Electoral Rolls.)

Maureen

[j-allen]

Thanks rosie99 got what you meant now! 

[j-allen]

Possible relative?
Birmingham Mail
27th Feb 1939
"West Bromwich Albion players attended the funeral of Mr John Crisp, licensee of the Scotts Arms Hotel, Great Barr for the past 5 years"
He apparently played for them in his past.
Further snippets give his age as 43 and his widow as Ada Crisp to whom the licence of the Scotts Arms was transferred.
Midland Electoral rolls have a Muriel Annie Crisp living with a Henry Crisp in 1930 and 1935 at 28 Melrose Road, Handsworth.
Also a small piece in the newspaper of a marriage in 1942 of Trooper Stanley Pearson and Miss Muriel Crisp who" resides in Birmingham". No details of her family though.

Cathy

That makes very interesting reading Cathy and I have found John Crisp and he was John Henry's nephew. I had no idea he was footballer as well, so quite sad that he died at a relatively young age.

I will look into Muriel's marriage to Stanley Pearson to see if she is mine.

Many thanks to you for all the information, it is much appreciated!

Janice

[j-allen]

The CRISPs seem to be in Western Australia as early as 1910. (Australia Electoral Rolls.)

Maureen

Yes John Henry's brother Joseph I believe Maureen. Joseph's his eldest son was born on the Iberia going over there. I assume this is whom you refer to. I am researching each of my gt. grandmother Emma E. Crisp's brothers and sisters so haven't fully got to Joseph yet. In fact I have no idea whether John Henry and Joseph link up in Australia at all as I don't know where Joseph settled with his family but as he was 10 years older than his brother, by 1938 he may not have been alive by then.

Many thanks.

Janice