Tale of 2 Harriets, or maybe only 1?

[bedfordshire boy]

P.S. I started on the smaller thread and am feeling slightly boggled by it all - so many names and dates!  The joy of family research

I re-read them both yesterday evening and finished at 1 a.m. The Sabey thread in particular is too long, even if you are fully conversant with the families.

[FionaO]

Perhaps I'll save the longer thread for another day....

[bedfordshire boy]

How have you connected the two John Sabey Smiths, as I can't see it?

The Godmanchester one goes back via Clara Harriet Sabey - Thomas from Bolnhurst - Francis - Mary Sabey - John born c 1718 of Bolnhurst

Your line through Rhoda Sabey - Tingey from Northill - Tingey - John b c 1715 Colmworth - Joseph b c 1675.

Whilst I'm sure there has to be a link between the two Johns, Bolnhurst and Colmworth being only a couple of miles apart, I've never been able to establish it. It's not helped by the Bolnhurst branch being non conformist.

David

[FionaO]

Hi David,

Just trying to answer your query and having a little recheck at the same time.

I can’t seem to see a couple of John Sabey SMITHs but I do have a couple of James Sabey SMITHs and I thought they converged at Tingey SABEY (b1764 Northill, Beds) and Mary.  My path then follows their son Tingey SABEY (b1795 Blunham) while the other James SS follows their son Thomas SABEY (b1800 Bolnhurst).  However, your mention of non-conformists has put the cat among the pigeons regarding Thomas SABEY b 1800 Bolnhurst and his parentage as the only baptism I could find places him in the Tingey camp.  But non-conformist mean possibly no baptism.  Hmm.

Clearly I need more work.  Whilst Bolnhurst to Blunham is only 8 miles away, Bolnhurst to Godmanchester is 33 miles.  Religious gaps meanwhile are always far wider.

I think I need to resolve this before going further back.  I'll try again in a couple of day.

Fionaohdear

[bedfordshire boy]

Sorry, senior moment! I meant James Sabey Smith
 
Thomas baptised in Blunham in 1801, son of Tingey, married Ann Richardson in Blunham in 1833, and can be traced in censuses still living in Blunham.

Thomas, father of Clara Harriett from Godmanchester, married Ann Flowers in Godmanchester in 1827 and in 1851 aged 51 gives his birthplace as Bolnhurst. There's no baptism for him in Bolnhurst, or anywhere else for that matter, but living in Bolnhurst at the right time were Francis and Charlotte Sabey. As Thomas and Ann named two of their children Charlotte and Francis I assumed that they were named after Thomas' parents. Naming patterns are not the greatest piece of evidence but it was the best I could manage. And I'm pretty confident about it!

But just to confuse matters further there was another unbaptised Thomas Sabey born in Bolnhurst in 1802, son of William and Sarah (Throssell) but I'm sure he was the one who married Mary Willis in Finedon Northants on 7 Jan 1823

If you disagree with anything please let me know. I'm not infallible!

David

[FionaO]

Hi David,

I’m feeling a little sad to have to drop the Tingey connection to James SS b1870.  I will recover though my Ancrusty tree will never be the same.

It is quite odd and slightly irrational how you get a feel for names used.  I’ve been surprised before when I’ve accurately discounted someone because their name doesn’t ‘fit’ with everybody else so I sympathise.

I don’t have any other information as I’ve not long been tracing this family.  Have you ever seen the marriage of Thomas SABEY and Ann FLOWERS in 1827?  Is there any hope it may contain the elusive piece of information of Thomas's father?

FYI: I’ve just received the birth cert of my James SS and on it his name is blank!  But his DOB and other details are spot on to other documents so I know I’ve got the right one (hurrah).

I’ll give it another go tomorrow, hopefully,

Fionaoh