Thomas Mark Moody

[zumaro]

Alas I have never requested Mary Ann Tomlyn's death certificate, because the dates and most other facts recorded on it are well sourced, between online and family resources. Thomas is less well recorded because Mary Ann sued for separation in 1918, and he went on to remarry after her death in 1926, effectively cutting him off from the family - he was not a well liked man.

The family are easy to list however: John Edwin, Etty Tomlyn, William Ernest, Arthur Thomas, Frederick Charles (x2 as an earlier one died in infancy), Mary Elizabeth, Arthur Thomas, Albert Henry, Lily Margaret, Thomas Henry, Eva May and Ethel Maude. That is the listing in Mary Ann's family bible dated 1899.

[wivenhoe]

Is this your MOODY /TOMLYN family?  Lucy and Florry, having only one given name, might be another family.

NZ BDM births
1877/173          MOODY  John Edwin         parents Mary Ann / Thomas
1878/1366        MOODY  Etty Tomlyn        parents Mary Ann / Thomas
1879/16675      MOODY  William Ernest     parents Mary Ann / Thomas 
1880/6434        MOODY  Lucy                   parents Mary Ann / Thomas
1881/6535        MOODY  Arthur Thomas    parents Mary Ann / Thomas 
1883/5424        MOODY  Frederick Charles parents Mary Ann / Thomas
1884/11992      MOODY  Florry                  parents Mary Ann / Thomas
1885/1410        MOODY  Mary Elizabeth     parents Mary Ann / Thomas Mark
1887/3524        MOODY  Albert Henry        parents Mary Ann / Thomas
1888/8812        MOODY  Lily Margaret       parents Mary Ann / Thomas 
1890/3769        MOODY  John William        parents Mary Ann / Thomas  (b. 26 Jan 1890)
1892/10677      MOODY  Eva May              parents Mary Ann / Thomas
1895/2980        MOODY  Ethel Maud          parents Mary Ann / Thomas
1899/12612      MOODY  Frederick Charles parents Mary Ann / Thomas
1937/67817      MOODY  Thomas Henry     parents Mary Ann / Thomas Mark (b. 25 Jun 1890)

death
1976 / 32604 MOODY John William  b. 25 Jan 1890

Are there two MOODY families with parents Thomas and Mary Ann?

In 1937 the birth of Thomas Henry MOODY is retrospectively registered, and I will assume that Thomas Henry initiates this registration.  At 1937, and while his father is still alive, Thomas names his father with two given names. 

Can you scan the pages from the bible, with the names, and put on this forum?

You have said that you have the two birth records which list father as Thomas Mark?

Who are the informants on these certificates?

[zumaro]

Thats more or less them - John William, Lucy and Florry belong to another Moody family, with the same parental names. I think that Mary Ann is also Tomlyn in the second family, just to make it really confusing.  I have attached a photo of the bible page from my Mary Ann - sorry it is a bit fuzzy at the edges because I used the Google tool for photoing these things, without realising it was averaging a few shots, which doesn't work so well for documents!

On both birth certificates I have, the informant is listed as Mary Ann Moody or MA Moody - one of them is for Mary Elizabeth, and the other for John Edwin (so not listed as Thomas Mark for the father, but just Thomas).

[zumaro]

The birth certificate for Mary Elizabeth

[wivenhoe]

Thank you for the image. I am looking for anything that might be useful. It looks to be written in the same hand, so one recorder. And you know this to be Mary Ann's writing? Why are ages for Thomas and Mary Ann given as 46 etc.

                                             fathers name in full  **
Thomas Mark MOODY  age 46 the 1 April 18**
Mary Ann MOODY mothers name  age  4*
                                                           23 July 18**

John Edwin born 4 Dec 1877 Napier **     
Etty Thomlyn born 18 Jan 1878    do         (on this line there is a marker before the name)

(John Edwin was born 9 Dec 1876......and mother Mary Ann never corrected this?)


Arthur Thomas  (on this line there is a marker before the name)

Ethel Maud    (was she a frail baby and not expected to live ie. "death" written below her name. When did she die?)

[Lucy2]

Ethel Maud    (was she a frail baby and not expected to live ie. "death" written below her name. When did she die?)

Death Notice      >

http://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/DTN18960201.2.5

[zumaro]

I hadn't found that death notice before thanks.

Luckily I have found a clearer image than the last one, and another image that I hadn't noticed before. Also Mary Ann Tomlyn's own birth certificate that she obtained in 1908 apparently. I have no idea why she insists on not giving the parents' birth years, rather than their ages. I just noted that the second page, which I didn't read properly before is dated 1922, and brings the information more up to date. Alas the information is inconsistent...

I assume that Thomas Mark's birthday must be April 1st, but she has changed her own birthdate from July 23 to July 30. Maybe the obtaining of her birth certificate in 1908 corrected a previous mistake? Her entries are consistent with July 30 1853 being her birth date, but Thomas Mark could be a range of years based on this evidence - 1854 or 1855 are the most likely?

[zumaro]

Thomas Mark's death certificate

[Lucy2]

Hi zumaro

Can you just clarify please, have you been able to confirm (positively) who the parents of Thomas (Mark) MOODY, were ??

[Or is that something you're working towards with this thread ? ]

  ~  Lu