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Re: Harris family, Merthyr Tydfil 1851
« Reply #27 on: Sunday 19 March 17 16:46 GMT (UK) »
Possibility for Ann in 1861?
13 Taff Street, Hamlet of Garth, Merthyr. RG09/4061/68/11
I think this must be Taff Street, Merthyr Vale?
Sarah Harris, Head, Unmarried, Female, 80 (1781) occ Knitting,  Carmarthen, Carmarthenshire,
Mary Walters, Relative, Unmarried, Female, 50 (1811) Dress Making, Merthyr Tydfil, Glamorgan, Sarah Walters, Relative, Unmarried, Female 18(1843), Merthyr Tydfil, Glamorgan, Wales
Ann Harries, Relative, Unmarried, Female, 14 (1847), Merthyr Tydfil, Glamorgan, Wales
John Harries, Relative, Unmarried, Male, 5 (1856), Merthyr Tydfil, Glamorgan, Wales

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Re: Harris family, Merthyr Tydfil 1851
« Reply #28 on: Sunday 19 March 17 16:54 GMT (UK) »
1871 has a family called Lynch at 11 Cross Street.
Cornwall: Allen, Bevan, Bosisto, Carnpezzack, Donithorn, Huddy, James, Retallack, Russell, Vincent, Yeoman
Cards: Thomas (Llanbadarn Fawr)
Glam: Bowler, Cram, Galloway, James, Thomas, Watkins
Lincs: Coupland, Cram
Mon: Cram, Gwyn, John, Philpot, Smart, Watkins
Pembs: Edwards (St. Dogmael's)
Yorks: Airey, Bowler, Elliott, Hare, Hewitt, Kellett, Kemp, Stephenson, Tebb

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Re: Harris family, Merthyr Tydfil 1851
« Reply #29 on: Sunday 19 March 17 16:56 GMT (UK) »
I did see that as a possibility Mar, but her half brother John was born in 1853 and was with his parents in 1861, so I just filed it as a possible (in case Ann and John aren't siblings).

The 'relative' is unusual too  :-\
CARDIFF:Lord,Griffiths,Barry,Cope,Mahoney ~ PEMBROKESHIRE:Griffiths,Rees,Owen,Thomas ~ ESSEX:Lord,Foreman,Hatch ~ SOMERSET:Lord,Cox,Hockey,Linham,Bryant ~ STAFFORDSHIRE:Cope,Elks,Hackney,Gallimore,Davenport ~ SUFFOLK:Lord,Lockwood,Hatch,Rix,Foreman ~ IRELAND:Barry,Meany,Cummins,Grogan ~
PONTYPRIDD:Leigh,Brooks,Adams,Davies,Thomas ~ KENT:Leigh ~ CHESHIRE:Adams,Tudor,Illidge ~ DENBIGHSHIRE:Edwards,Bolas ~BRECON:Leigh,Thomas,Davies ~SOMERSET:Adams,Keitch,Bridge ~ABERGAVENNY:Minton ~ MERTHYR:.....

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Re: Harris family, Merthyr Tydfil 1851
« Reply #30 on: Sunday 19 March 17 16:59 GMT (UK) »
1871 has a family called Lynch at 11 Cross Street.

Thanks osprey, having found the census (which I couldn't, I have very little luck with early addresses  :-[ ) is 'Plantation' an area of Penydarren, or is the address '11 Cross St Plantation'  :-\
CARDIFF:Lord,Griffiths,Barry,Cope,Mahoney ~ PEMBROKESHIRE:Griffiths,Rees,Owen,Thomas ~ ESSEX:Lord,Foreman,Hatch ~ SOMERSET:Lord,Cox,Hockey,Linham,Bryant ~ STAFFORDSHIRE:Cope,Elks,Hackney,Gallimore,Davenport ~ SUFFOLK:Lord,Lockwood,Hatch,Rix,Foreman ~ IRELAND:Barry,Meany,Cummins,Grogan ~
PONTYPRIDD:Leigh,Brooks,Adams,Davies,Thomas ~ KENT:Leigh ~ CHESHIRE:Adams,Tudor,Illidge ~ DENBIGHSHIRE:Edwards,Bolas ~BRECON:Leigh,Thomas,Davies ~SOMERSET:Adams,Keitch,Bridge ~ABERGAVENNY:Minton ~ MERTHYR:.....


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Re: Harris family, Merthyr Tydfil 1851
« Reply #31 on: Sunday 19 March 17 17:45 GMT (UK) »
there was a Plantation Street as well, but they're not there either.

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Cornwall: Allen, Bevan, Bosisto, Carnpezzack, Donithorn, Huddy, James, Retallack, Russell, Vincent, Yeoman
Cards: Thomas (Llanbadarn Fawr)
Glam: Bowler, Cram, Galloway, James, Thomas, Watkins
Lincs: Coupland, Cram
Mon: Cram, Gwyn, John, Philpot, Smart, Watkins
Pembs: Edwards (St. Dogmael's)
Yorks: Airey, Bowler, Elliott, Hare, Hewitt, Kellett, Kemp, Stephenson, Tebb

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Re: Harris family, Merthyr Tydfil 1851
« Reply #32 on: Sunday 19 March 17 18:42 GMT (UK) »
there was a Plantation Street as well, but they're not there either.

 :-\

Thanks osprey  :) They aren't the easiest family to follow  ::)
CARDIFF:Lord,Griffiths,Barry,Cope,Mahoney ~ PEMBROKESHIRE:Griffiths,Rees,Owen,Thomas ~ ESSEX:Lord,Foreman,Hatch ~ SOMERSET:Lord,Cox,Hockey,Linham,Bryant ~ STAFFORDSHIRE:Cope,Elks,Hackney,Gallimore,Davenport ~ SUFFOLK:Lord,Lockwood,Hatch,Rix,Foreman ~ IRELAND:Barry,Meany,Cummins,Grogan ~
PONTYPRIDD:Leigh,Brooks,Adams,Davies,Thomas ~ KENT:Leigh ~ CHESHIRE:Adams,Tudor,Illidge ~ DENBIGHSHIRE:Edwards,Bolas ~BRECON:Leigh,Thomas,Davies ~SOMERSET:Adams,Keitch,Bridge ~ABERGAVENNY:Minton ~ MERTHYR:.....

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Re: Harris family, Merthyr Tydfil 1851
« Reply #33 on: Sunday 19 March 17 21:22 GMT (UK) »
Hi Deirdre
the Sarah Harris in the 1861 census who is with the Walters and the Harries listed as relatives, is still alive in 1871 - still cant see where a link could be, but am intrigued that David Harries shoemaker ends up in Taff Street in 1891.
In 1871 Sarah is listed as widow and born 1776 in Llandovery, Carmarthen (not unmarried as in 1861 born 1781)
William Walters is the son-in-law, 1805
Eliza Walters, daughter, 1809
John Walters, 1854; William Harris, 1855 and John Harris, 1856 grandsons (the John Harris could be the same one as ten years earlier)

In the Vaynor parish records, FindMyPast has the marriage transcription of Elizabeth Harries to William Watkins on 29th June 1833. When I looked at the image she actually married a William Walters. The record is one of the older ones where the fathers aren't named; a David Harries is a witness :-\.

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Re: Harris family, Merthyr Tydfil 1851
« Reply #34 on: Sunday 19 March 17 21:45 GMT (UK) »
Sorry Mar, have logged off the computer tonight, only on my phone, watching 'Vera' then going to bed (up at 6 for work 🙁). Need to look at my tree to make sense of that 1871 census  ;D so will look tomorrow. Thanks again for all your help.
CARDIFF:Lord,Griffiths,Barry,Cope,Mahoney ~ PEMBROKESHIRE:Griffiths,Rees,Owen,Thomas ~ ESSEX:Lord,Foreman,Hatch ~ SOMERSET:Lord,Cox,Hockey,Linham,Bryant ~ STAFFORDSHIRE:Cope,Elks,Hackney,Gallimore,Davenport ~ SUFFOLK:Lord,Lockwood,Hatch,Rix,Foreman ~ IRELAND:Barry,Meany,Cummins,Grogan ~
PONTYPRIDD:Leigh,Brooks,Adams,Davies,Thomas ~ KENT:Leigh ~ CHESHIRE:Adams,Tudor,Illidge ~ DENBIGHSHIRE:Edwards,Bolas ~BRECON:Leigh,Thomas,Davies ~SOMERSET:Adams,Keitch,Bridge ~ABERGAVENNY:Minton ~ MERTHYR:.....

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Re: Harris family, Merthyr Tydfil 1851
« Reply #35 on: Monday 20 March 17 11:40 GMT (UK) »
Deirdre - going back to 1871, I wasn't sure what age John Coombes was, his general occupation, or where he was born to match in the census with just first names, in case of a mis-transcription by the enumerator?
I could see the following family listed at No 8 Garden St. Penydarren, surname totally wrong  :-\
John Evans, head, married, 23, labourer, born Merthyr
Ann Evans, wife, married, 22, born Merthyr
Sarah Ann Evans, daughter, 4, born Merthyr.
RG10/5400/101 Page 27
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