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2 cousins deaths have same reference numbers?
« on: Friday 17 March 17 22:09 GMT (UK) »
Samuel Copperwheat b 1810-- d 1860
cousin John Copperwheat b 1819 -- d 1860

Thought i'd send for a death cert for one or other of them and found that both men had the same page and reference numbers.

Shouldn't each one have their own personal page and ref. numbers or am i missing an obvious reason for the duplication or just having a 'senior moment'  ::) poli

Behling---- London
Bridges---- London
Copperwheat----Bedfordshire---Norfolk
Denton----Bedfordshire
Edwards----Wales
Evans----N.Wales
Farrow----Norfolk
Hughes----N.Wales
Jones----Wales---Bedfordshire
Lambert----London
Larmouth/uth----London
Ostler----Norfolk
Sherwood----Bedfordshire
Silver----Bedfordshire---Suffolk
Smart----Leicestershire---Middx
Teagle----Buckinghamshire---Wales
Totterdell----Hampshire---London---Stoke-On-Trent
Woods----London

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Re: 2 cousins deaths have same reference numbers?
« Reply #1 on: Friday 17 March 17 22:13 GMT (UK) »
No, it's not a page per person.  If you look at FreeBMD you will see that 10 deaths were registered with those reference details.  It means the deaths were registered close in time to one another.
Ayr: Barnes, Wylie
Caithness: MacGregor
Essex: Eldred (Pebmarsh)
Gloucs: Timbrell (Winchcomb)
Hants: Stares (Wickham)
Lincs: Maw, Jackson (Epworth, Belton)
London: Pierce
Suffolk: Markham (Framlingham)
Surrey: Gosling (Richmond)
Wilts: Matthews, Tarrant (Calne, Preshute)
Worcs: Milward (Redditch)
Yorks: Beaumont, Crook, Moore, Styring (Huddersfield); Middleton (Church Fenton); Exley, Gelder (High Hoyland); Barnes, Birchinall (Sheffield); Kenyon, Wood (Cumberworth/Denby Dale)

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Re: 2 cousins deaths have same reference numbers?
« Reply #2 on: Friday 17 March 17 22:15 GMT (UK) »
It is correct that they have the same numbers as they date from a time when several records would be on the same page. The best way to see it if you look at actual marriage records on a site like Ancestry and you will see there are four (sometimes more) on a page
James Stott c1775-1850. James was born in Yorkshire but where? He was a stonemason and married Elizabeth Archer (nee Nicholson) in 1794 at Ripon. They lived thereafter in Masham. If anyone has any suggestions or leads as to his birthplace I would be interested to know. I have searched for it for years without success. Thank you.

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Re: 2 cousins deaths have same reference numbers?
« Reply #3 on: Friday 17 March 17 22:32 GMT (UK) »
Thank you both for replying. Seems obvious now that you have explained the reason.  I should have guessed there was a good reason---
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Behling---- London
Bridges---- London
Copperwheat----Bedfordshire---Norfolk
Denton----Bedfordshire
Edwards----Wales
Evans----N.Wales
Farrow----Norfolk
Hughes----N.Wales
Jones----Wales---Bedfordshire
Lambert----London
Larmouth/uth----London
Ostler----Norfolk
Sherwood----Bedfordshire
Silver----Bedfordshire---Suffolk
Smart----Leicestershire---Middx
Teagle----Buckinghamshire---Wales
Totterdell----Hampshire---London---Stoke-On-Trent
Woods----London


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Re: 2 cousins deaths have same reference numbers?
« Reply #4 on: Friday 17 March 17 23:18 GMT (UK) »
No, it's not a page per person.  If you look at FreeBMD you will see that 10 deaths were registered with those reference details.  It means the deaths were registered close in time to one another.

Of course another possibility is a simple transcription error because of the repeated surname; unlikely but not impossible.  You should check the reference on the recently revamped GRO website

EDIT  -  just done it: same reference, one aged 40, the other 50.
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Re: 2 cousins deaths have same reference numbers?
« Reply #5 on: Saturday 18 March 17 07:59 GMT (UK) »
Oh dear..... looks like a catastrophe for the family.  :'(

Were they mariners?  Or was some awful epidemic sweeping through their area?
BORCHARDT in Poland/Germany, BOSKOWITZ in Czechoslovakia, Hungary + Austria, BUSS in Baden, Germany + Switzerland, FEKETE in Hungary + Austria, GOTTHILF in Hammerstein + Berlin, GUBLER, GYSI, LABHARDT & RYCHNER in Switzerland, KONIG & KRONER in Germany, PLACZEK, WUNSCH & SILBERBERG in Poland.

Also: ROWSE in Brixham, Tenby, Hull & Ramsgate. Strongman, in Falmouth. Champion. Coke. Eame/s. Gibbons. Passmore. Pulsever. Sparkes in Brixham & Ramsgate. Toms in Cornwall. Waymoth. Wyatt.

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Re: 2 cousins deaths have same reference numbers?
« Reply #6 on: Saturday 18 March 17 09:08 GMT (UK) »
Were they mariners?  Or was some awful epidemic sweeping through their area?

Unlikely to be mariners, as Ampthill is a long way from the sea.  Possibly rivermen I suppose.  But they were apparently cousins, so not necessarily living together or even close by.
Tarr, Tydeman, Liversidge, Bartlett, Young

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Re: 2 cousins deaths have same reference numbers?
« Reply #7 on: Saturday 18 March 17 09:35 GMT (UK) »
And here are their ages, from the GRO  index
COPPERWHEAT, JOHN       40     
GRO Reference: 1860  M Quarter in AMPTHILL  Volume 03B  Page 271
COPPERWHEAT, SAMUEL       50 
GRO Reference: 1860  M Quarter in AMPTHILL  Volume 03B  Page 271

Josey

WHOOPS sorry Andrew, duplicated your post  :-[
Seeking: RC baptism Philip Murray Feb ish 1814 ? nr Chatham Kent.
IRE: Kik DRAY[EA], PURCELL, WHITE: Mea LYNCH: Tip MURRAY, SHEEDY: Wem ALLEN, ENGLISHBY; Dub PENROSE: Lim DUNN[E], FRAWLEY, WILLIAMS.
87th Regiment RIF: MURRAY
ENG; Marylebone HAYTER, TROU[W]SDALE, WILLIAMS,DUNEVAN Con HAMPTON, TREMELLING Wry CLEGG, HOLLAND, HORSEFIELD Coventry McGINTY
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Re: 2 cousins deaths have same reference numbers?
« Reply #8 on: Saturday 18 March 17 11:40 GMT (UK) »
Were they mariners?  Or was some awful epidemic sweeping through their area?

Unlikely to be mariners, as Ampthill is a long way from the sea.  Possibly rivermen I suppose.  But they were apparently cousins, so not necessarily living together or even close by.
But doesn't the register suggest the deaths were close together?
BORCHARDT in Poland/Germany, BOSKOWITZ in Czechoslovakia, Hungary + Austria, BUSS in Baden, Germany + Switzerland, FEKETE in Hungary + Austria, GOTTHILF in Hammerstein + Berlin, GUBLER, GYSI, LABHARDT & RYCHNER in Switzerland, KONIG & KRONER in Germany, PLACZEK, WUNSCH & SILBERBERG in Poland.

Also: ROWSE in Brixham, Tenby, Hull & Ramsgate. Strongman, in Falmouth. Champion. Coke. Eame/s. Gibbons. Passmore. Pulsever. Sparkes in Brixham & Ramsgate. Toms in Cornwall. Waymoth. Wyatt.