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Re: Where were they in the 1901 census
« Reply #9 on: Saturday 25 March 17 15:34 GMT (UK) »
Ages were only as good as memories back then unless you had some thing to reference and literacy levels didn't help

John AUDLEY as on the census return given was 50 in 1911 and 40 in 1901 which is consistent => b.1861
If you look at his marriage record he is shown as 24 in 1896

His baptism record is in Moycullen on Jul 21 1861 LINK

There are siblings
Bridget May 16 1858
Judith Mar 04 1860
Michael Mar 15 1863
Patrick Mar 12 1865  this would make him 36 in 1901
Peter Aug 02 1868
James Mar 17 1871
Kearney & Bourke/ Johns & Fox/ Mannion & Finan/ Donohoe & Curley
Byrne [Carthy], Keeffe/ Germaine, Butler/ McDermott, Giblin/ Lally, Dolan
Toole, Doran; Dowling, Grogan/ Reilly, Burke; Warren, Kidd [Lawless]/ Smith, Scally; Mangan, Rodgers/ Fahy, Calday; Staunton, Miller
Further generations:
Brophy Coleman Eathorn(e) Fahy Fitzpatrick Geraghty Haverty Keane Keogh Nowlan Rowe Walder

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Re: Where were they in the 1901 census
« Reply #10 on: Sunday 26 March 17 12:31 BST (UK) »
Hi myluck!
 Many thanks for your last message.

Did you get the information about  John's siblings from the irishgenealogy website or from the Catholic Registers at NLI website?

With regard to sibling Patrick in particular;  from the irish genealogy website I have two possible birth registrations for him namely
1)      As Patrick Audly born 15th March 1865 (slightly different date from you) and
2)      As Pat Audly born 1st April 1867.
The also appears to be the death registration of a Pat Adly in 1867 aged 0 in Galway Registration District (familysearch website). I had assumed that this death registration was of 2) above and 1) must have died earlier!! Surely a family would not have two children alive at the same time one called Patrick and the other called Pat.

When Patrick emigrated to America his passage was paid for by his sister I cannot clearly make out her name possibly J Reilly. So it is probably his sister Judith, I need time to try and find a record for her marriage
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Re: Where were they in the 1901 census
« Reply #11 on: Sunday 26 March 17 12:44 BST (UK) »
Surely a family would not have two children alive at the same time one called Patrick and the other called Pat.


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This possibility was more common than you might think, and there are several rootschatters who have posted of such happenings before.
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Re: Where were they in the 1901 census
« Reply #12 on: Sunday 26 March 17 13:01 BST (UK) »
I did a search on the paid site rootsireland.ie and double checked on the NLI

The date difference by a few days is not unusual. I have relatives that were baptised before they were officially born!!

Not sure on two children being named Patrick but you do come across it in some families.

You would have to get the official death certificate to be confirm

Interesting that John's wife Bridget was a REILLY

Kearney & Bourke/ Johns & Fox/ Mannion & Finan/ Donohoe & Curley
Byrne [Carthy], Keeffe/ Germaine, Butler/ McDermott, Giblin/ Lally, Dolan
Toole, Doran; Dowling, Grogan/ Reilly, Burke; Warren, Kidd [Lawless]/ Smith, Scally; Mangan, Rodgers/ Fahy, Calday; Staunton, Miller
Further generations:
Brophy Coleman Eathorn(e) Fahy Fitzpatrick Geraghty Haverty Keane Keogh Nowlan Rowe Walder


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Re: Where were they in the 1901 census
« Reply #13 on: Sunday 26 March 17 16:12 BST (UK) »
20th Aug 1857 marriage of James Audley and Catherine Faherty
right hand page
http://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000634195#page/62/mode/1up

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Re: Where were they in the 1901 census
« Reply #14 on: Sunday 26 March 17 17:20 BST (UK) »
Hi scotmum, myluck! and dathai;

Many thanks to all of you for your reply to my lasy question.

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Re: Where were they in the 1901 census
« Reply #15 on: Sunday 26 March 17 21:53 BST (UK) »
Scotmum,
I have been thinking about your comment that it was not uncommon for Irish families to have two living children with the same name.
Does this occur with all Christian names or is it specific to the names Pat and Patrick?

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Re: Where were they in the 1901 census
« Reply #16 on: Monday 27 March 17 10:38 BST (UK) »
This occurs with many names

I know a living family with four girls all with the first name Mary followed by a second name
i.e. Mary Theresa, Mary Bridget, etc. without privacy issues I hope  ;)

In some cases land passed on to the same named person in the next generation
so John MURPHY would name a number of sons John,
as John Michael, John Joseph, John James etc, to ensure one John would survive to adulthood

Also as respect to a parent/ancestor, and to keep a family name, the same practice was employed

I feel it is unusual to name two children a single name while both were alive;
I have come across a Sean and John in the same family (one being the Irish and one the English of the same same name)
Kearney & Bourke/ Johns & Fox/ Mannion & Finan/ Donohoe & Curley
Byrne [Carthy], Keeffe/ Germaine, Butler/ McDermott, Giblin/ Lally, Dolan
Toole, Doran; Dowling, Grogan/ Reilly, Burke; Warren, Kidd [Lawless]/ Smith, Scally; Mangan, Rodgers/ Fahy, Calday; Staunton, Miller
Further generations:
Brophy Coleman Eathorn(e) Fahy Fitzpatrick Geraghty Haverty Keane Keogh Nowlan Rowe Walder

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Re: Where were they in the 1901 census
« Reply #17 on: Monday 27 March 17 20:31 BST (UK) »
myluck!

Thanks for the information

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