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Help please, Moycarkey baptism, 1858
« on: Friday 24 March 17 07:17 GMT (UK) »
I'm looking at the image of the baptism of Mary MAHER, April 4 1858, in the Ireland, Catholic Parish Registers, 1655-1915


This is what I see:
Mary of Edmond MAHER and Ellen MAHER, Sps: Patrick L???land, Ellen Maher, Tberadora.

My questions are:
Can I assume from this that Ellen's maiden name was MAHER?  The mothers listed in other records on this page are shown with surnames that are different from the father's surname so I assume that the listing on the record is the maiden name.

Because the entry is squashed in it's a bit tricky to sort out -  can I assume that Tuberadora is their residence and that Galbestown belongs to the record above that?

Is it Tuberadora?  This place name is mentioned a page or so earlier in these registers and that's what it looks like but Googlemap doesn't seem to find it for me.  For that matter I can't see Moycarkey either although a Morcarkey National School is shown.  Is there still a church there?  Mary MAHER emigrated to Victoria Australia (I have good information about her from there on) and the informant for her death certificate gave her birthplace as Holy Cross which I see has a very big church. Obviously the information from her baptism is more reliable than that given after her death.

Judith

PS Google tells me that there is a Catholic church built early 19th century.


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Re: Help please, Moycarkey baptism, 1858
« Reply #1 on: Friday 24 March 17 08:17 GMT (UK) »
Easier when we can see it
http://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000632666#page/17/mode/1up
Left hand page
Need to have a proper look now

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Re: Help please, Moycarkey baptism, 1858
« Reply #2 on: Friday 24 March 17 08:29 GMT (UK) »
There is a place called Toberadora in the Civil Parish of Galie which is in the general area, need a bit more looking into.

Toberadora comes under the neighbouring parish of Boherlahan.

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Re: Help please, Moycarkey baptism, 1858
« Reply #3 on: Friday 24 March 17 08:44 GMT (UK) »
Think it's Patrick ????y and Ellen Maher for the sponsors, a look around the pages may show a clearer example of his name.
I wonder if the second place name is for the second Ellen Maher so as not to confuse her with the mother.
It does look like the mother's maiden name is Maher.

If their marriage isn't in Moycarkey, Boheriahan might prove fruitful.

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Re: Help please, Moycarkey baptism, 1858
« Reply #4 on: Friday 24 March 17 09:05 GMT (UK) »
Edmund Maher on Griffiths Valuation 1850
Tipperary South Riding
Barony   Middle Third
Union    Cashel
Parish   Gaile
Townland and place name    Toberadora
http://www.askaboutireland.ie/griffith-valuation/

a few more here  there might be an Edmund jnr as one is mentioned as Edmund snr
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01js7/

right hand page Edmund and Edmund jnr
http://census.nationalarchives.ie/reels/vob/IRE_CENSUS_1821-51_007246819_00618.pdf



Tithe Applotments 1829
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Re: Help please, Moycarkey baptism, 1858
« Reply #5 on: Friday 24 March 17 09:48 GMT (UK) »
For the sponsor
On the right hand page 26 April, the mother's name Catherine Lahy perhaps.
http://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000632666#page/20/mode/1up

This one is better
Left hand page Feb 6
Hugh Lahy
http://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000632666#page/23/mode/1up

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Re: Help please, Moycarkey baptism, 1858
« Reply #6 on: Friday 24 March 17 09:56 GMT (UK) »
Toberadora listed as Foberadora on census  lots of Maher's
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Tipperary/Gaile/Foberadora/

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Re: Help please, Moycarkey baptism, 1858
« Reply #7 on: Saturday 25 March 17 00:15 GMT (UK) »
Sinann and dathai -thank you very much - so many MAHERs!

Yes, I think the male sponsor's name is Patrick LAHY, with the lettering that looked as though it was part of his name is just the word 'and'.  I still think that 'Galbestown' belongs to the record above (Simon s/o Simon Lonergan) which otherwise doesn't have a place name attached to it as all of the others do.

Judith

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Re: Help please, Moycarkey baptism, 1858
« Reply #8 on: Saturday 25 March 17 02:33 GMT (UK) »
Hi Judith
Toberadora is in the Catholic Parish of Moycarkey
The following are some Maher graves which are in Clogher graveyard near the village of Clonoulty .
1.
Erected
by Stephen Maher
of Newheaven
in memory of his father
James Maher
Tuberadora
who died June 30th 1865
aged 87 years
also
his brother William who died young
2.
Here layeth the body of
James Meagher
who dep d  this life July the
14th 1776 aged 34 years
3.
Erected by the widow Maher of Toberadora in
memory of her husband James
Meagher who died October 8th
1829 aged 48 yrs
4.
Erec d by Wil m Maher of
Toberadora in memory of
his father Timothy Maher who died Nov r 28th 1818 aged
64 yrs also his wife Elenor Maher alias Dwyer who died Feb y 9th 1837
aged 63 yrs
also their daughter Anne
who died August 16th 1828
aged 18 yrs

The Maher family still reside there and have a love of genealogy

P J