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Re: Emma Lucy RICE - Who did she marry?
« Reply #18 on: Wednesday 12 July 17 10:42 BST (UK) »
I think this is the family in 1891: RG12/200/13/19.

85 Mandeville St, Hackney

James GRANBY Head Mar 38 Fish porter London Islington
Elizabeth do Wife 36 Bromley by Bow
Elizabeth PORTWAY Stepdaur 12 Hackney (some transcriptions say PORTNOY)
George do Stepson 13 Errand boy Hackney
John do Stepson 15 Fish dealer Hackney
William do Stepson 10 Hackney
Alice V do Stepdaur 5 Hackney
James V do Stepson 5 Hackney
Ayr: Barnes, Wylie
Caithness: MacGregor
Essex: Eldred (Pebmarsh)
Gloucs: Timbrell (Winchcomb)
Hants: Stares (Wickham)
Lincs: Maw, Jackson (Epworth, Belton)
London: Pierce
Suffolk: Markham (Framlingham)
Surrey: Gosling (Richmond)
Wilts: Matthews, Tarrant (Calne, Preshute)
Worcs: Milward (Redditch)
Yorks: Beaumont, Crook, Moore, Styring (Huddersfield); Middleton (Church Fenton); Exley, Gelder (High Hoyland); Barnes, Birchinall (Sheffield); Kenyon, Wood (Cumberworth/Denby Dale)

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Re: Emma Lucy RICE - Who did she marry?
« Reply #19 on: Wednesday 12 July 17 10:56 BST (UK) »
Baptisms (C of E, Hackney) for some of the early Portway children:

2 Aug 1883

Elizabeth Portway, born 2 Mar 1879
William Henry Portway, born 12 Mar 1881

Parents: John (a sawyer) and Elizabeth, of 94 Chalgrove Rd.

Also on the same date: Alice Mears, born 25 July 1875, dau of Napoleon and Elizabeth, 94 Chalgrove Rd.

16 Aug 1883

George Portway, born 7 May 1877. Parents John (a sawyer) and Elizabeth, of 94 Chalgrove Rd.
Ayr: Barnes, Wylie
Caithness: MacGregor
Essex: Eldred (Pebmarsh)
Gloucs: Timbrell (Winchcomb)
Hants: Stares (Wickham)
Lincs: Maw, Jackson (Epworth, Belton)
London: Pierce
Suffolk: Markham (Framlingham)
Surrey: Gosling (Richmond)
Wilts: Matthews, Tarrant (Calne, Preshute)
Worcs: Milward (Redditch)
Yorks: Beaumont, Crook, Moore, Styring (Huddersfield); Middleton (Church Fenton); Exley, Gelder (High Hoyland); Barnes, Birchinall (Sheffield); Kenyon, Wood (Cumberworth/Denby Dale)

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Re: Emma Lucy RICE - Who did she marry?
« Reply #20 on: Wednesday 12 July 17 11:03 BST (UK) »
I think this is the family in 1891: RG12/200/13/19.

85 Mandeville St, Hackney

James GRANBY Head Mar 38 Fish porter London Islington
Elizabeth do Wife 36 Bromley by Bow
Elizabeth PORTWAY Stepdaur 12 Hackney (some transcriptions say PORTNOY)
George do Stepson 13 Errand boy Hackney
John do Stepson 15 Fish dealer Hackney
William do Stepson 10 Hackney
Alice V do Stepdaur 5 Hackney
James V do Stepson 5 Hackney

In light of this I am wondering whether Elizabeth's twins Alice and James were the result of a brief relationship (perhaps with a Mr van Buren??) after the death of her husband John Portway in 1880 and before she got together with James Granby (later aka Portway).  Alternatively James may have been their natural father despite their being described as his stepchildren in the 1891 census.

James Granby appears on electoral registers at 85 Mandeville St, Hackney, 1890-1895.  He is a bit mysterious other than that.  Perhaps he was a man of many aliases.
Ayr: Barnes, Wylie
Caithness: MacGregor
Essex: Eldred (Pebmarsh)
Gloucs: Timbrell (Winchcomb)
Hants: Stares (Wickham)
Lincs: Maw, Jackson (Epworth, Belton)
London: Pierce
Suffolk: Markham (Framlingham)
Surrey: Gosling (Richmond)
Wilts: Matthews, Tarrant (Calne, Preshute)
Worcs: Milward (Redditch)
Yorks: Beaumont, Crook, Moore, Styring (Huddersfield); Middleton (Church Fenton); Exley, Gelder (High Hoyland); Barnes, Birchinall (Sheffield); Kenyon, Wood (Cumberworth/Denby Dale)

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Re: Emma Lucy RICE - Who did she marry?
« Reply #21 on: Wednesday 12 July 17 11:44 BST (UK) »
Looking at the possible paternity of Elizabeth's twins, I note that there was a Van Buren family in Hackney at the relevant time headed in 1871 by George van Buren (45 b Cheltenham) and his wife Sarah nee Parkes. (RG10/324/61/44).

One of their sons was Cornelius Martinus van Bu(u)ren born 28 Sep 1854 in Islington.  He married Fanny Sleep in Plymouth in 1876, and by 1881 they were at 9 Poole Rd, Hackney.  Cornelius is recorded in 1881 as a fish buyer.

He then disappears.  Did he father Elizabeth Portway's twins and then die or do a runner - or is he the same person we later see with Elizabeth as James Granby and James Portway?

Cornelius's wife Fanny remarried ("widow") in Cardiff 26 Dec 1892, to Robert Mills.
Ayr: Barnes, Wylie
Caithness: MacGregor
Essex: Eldred (Pebmarsh)
Gloucs: Timbrell (Winchcomb)
Hants: Stares (Wickham)
Lincs: Maw, Jackson (Epworth, Belton)
London: Pierce
Suffolk: Markham (Framlingham)
Surrey: Gosling (Richmond)
Wilts: Matthews, Tarrant (Calne, Preshute)
Worcs: Milward (Redditch)
Yorks: Beaumont, Crook, Moore, Styring (Huddersfield); Middleton (Church Fenton); Exley, Gelder (High Hoyland); Barnes, Birchinall (Sheffield); Kenyon, Wood (Cumberworth/Denby Dale)

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Re: Emma Lucy RICE - Who did she marry?
« Reply #22 on: Wednesday 12 July 17 13:16 BST (UK) »
Hi All
Thank you for the further replies. I will have to look at all the information and continue to sort out this family.

Helen :)

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Re: Emma Lucy RICE - Who did she marry?
« Reply #23 on: Wednesday 12 July 17 14:26 BST (UK) »
Hello Helen

Emma and JC were my grandparents, but both died before I was born.

Are you a connection of F Rice who was in Manley, NSW in the late 1940s when he was writing very friendly letters to my parents.  The letters mentioned "Mum".  Would this have been Emma?

Bye for now

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Re: Emma Lucy RICE - Who did she marry?
« Reply #24 on: Saturday 15 July 17 01:12 BST (UK) »
Hi Lynn

Thank you for your last reply. It is possible that we are cousins through Emma Lucy RICE.

I would like to compare my notes with information that you may know. When you send one more message to this forum, it then allows us to use the personal message system so we can also send messages privately off this site.

I have I think Emma's birth date and death year and I have two birth years for JC.

I think that Emma had three sons. F RICE is query her eldest. I do not have much information on him. He is with his mother in 1911 and 1939 if I have the correct F RICE. I have not been able to trace him, so I was interested that he was to be in Australia.

Some members of my RICE family go to Australia prior to 1914 and do not have any children. They would have been 2nd cousins to Emma RICE.

Do you have any information on Emma's Family? Her parents and her brothers and sisters? I am still looking for her younger brother William G RICE born 1881.

Also I would like your thoughts on JC's family.

Look forward to discussing this family some more.

Bye for now
Helen

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Re: Emma Lucy RICE - Who did she marry?
« Reply #25 on: Monday 17 July 17 12:30 BST (UK) »
Hi Helen

If we may be cousins, which of Emma's children was your Mother or Father?

F Rice was Fred or Frederick, I am not sure how old he was.  I only really know about Emma and JC's two sons.  JC junior (Jack) born 1917 and my Dad, Philip Edward born 1922.

I think Jack might have gone to Aus, but not sure and think he might have died in England.  My parents intended to go to Aus to join him, but didn't.

I'm a newbie to family tracing and the only thing I managed to find which might have been JC senior's death was one at sea in 1923.

Look forward to hearing from you

Lynn