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Re: SMALL - What is this place on a baptism in Moulin?
« Reply #27 on: Friday 31 March 17 02:01 BST (UK) »
I think Rosinish was spot on with Tarvie.

The attached 1823 map (http://maps.nls.uk/view/74400161) shows a property by this name some few miles to the NE of Moulin.  Follow the road from Moulin to the first junction and you will find Tarvie at the junction, with Tarvie Mill further to the east.
On more modern maps, Tarvie is shown as being almost equidistant between Moulin and Kirkmichael whilst travelling along the road between these villages.

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Istrice

Sorry, I've just noticed this post. I must've got absorbed in so much earlier.

This map is also fantastic. Clearly shows the borders of the parishes that the Smalls lived in, and explains why the parishes often changed with births and marriages etc. Absolutely spot on for me.

Thank you!

Jill
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Re: SMALL - What is this place on a baptism in Moulin?
« Reply #28 on: Friday 31 March 17 02:04 BST (UK) »
If I ever meet anyone with the surname Small I will direct them to you  :D

Talk about a 'Small' world  ;D

Annie
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Ireland:- Cullen, Flannigan (Derry), Donahoe/Donaghue (variants) (Cork), McCrate (Tipperary), Mellon, Tol(l)and (Donegal & Tyrone)

Newcastle-on-Tyne/Durham (Northumberland):- Harrison, Jude, Kemp, Lunn, Mellon, Robson, Stirling

Kettering, Northampton:- MacKinnon

Canada:- Callaghan, Cumming, MacPhee

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Re: SMALL - What is this place on a baptism in Moulin?
« Reply #29 on: Friday 31 March 17 02:08 BST (UK) »
If I ever meet anyone with the surname Small I will direct them to you  :D

Talk about a 'Small' world  ;D

Annie

A few days ago before I knew all of this I said something similar to someone who had another Small in their tree in Forfar!  ;D ;D

Too many pun opportunities with this name. Because my grandfather was illegitimate no one knew much about his father (turned out to be born Charles Small). We all thought we were McKenzie's (Charles' step-father's name).. oh how the tides have turned.  ;D


Also;

Wiki page re; Dr Alexander Small 1710 - 1794. He ended up a doctor in London and he died in Ware, Hertfordshire.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexander_Small

So if people are looking for Smalls down south this is something to consider.

Jill


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Sheret, Hosie, Valentine, Crow, Beattie, McArthur, Wyllie.
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Re: SMALL - What is this place on a baptism in Moulin?
« Reply #30 on: Friday 31 March 17 02:32 BST (UK) »
More common than you would have thought.

Just to keep in your reserves...

http://www.rootschat.com/links/01ju7/

Annie
South Uist, Inverness-shire, Scotland:- Bowie, Campbell, Cumming, Currie

Ireland:- Cullen, Flannigan (Derry), Donahoe/Donaghue (variants) (Cork), McCrate (Tipperary), Mellon, Tol(l)and (Donegal & Tyrone)

Newcastle-on-Tyne/Durham (Northumberland):- Harrison, Jude, Kemp, Lunn, Mellon, Robson, Stirling

Kettering, Northampton:- MacKinnon

Canada:- Callaghan, Cumming, MacPhee

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Re: SMALL - What is this place on a baptism in Moulin?
« Reply #31 on: Friday 31 March 17 03:29 BST (UK) »
Amendment for Reply #21

"burgh in barony of Kethik lying in the Baitschailhauche" = Keithick

http://www.rootschat.com/links/01ju9/

Can't get the 'Baitschailhauche'  ::)

Annie
South Uist, Inverness-shire, Scotland:- Bowie, Campbell, Cumming, Currie

Ireland:- Cullen, Flannigan (Derry), Donahoe/Donaghue (variants) (Cork), McCrate (Tipperary), Mellon, Tol(l)and (Donegal & Tyrone)

Newcastle-on-Tyne/Durham (Northumberland):- Harrison, Jude, Kemp, Lunn, Mellon, Robson, Stirling

Kettering, Northampton:- MacKinnon

Canada:- Callaghan, Cumming, MacPhee

"OLD GENEALOGISTS NEVER DIE - THEY JUST LOSE THEIR CENSUS"

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Re: SMALL - What is this place on a baptism in Moulin?
« Reply #32 on: Friday 31 March 17 03:59 BST (UK) »
Amendment for Reply #21

"burgh in barony of Kethik lying in the Baitschailhauche" = Keithick

http://www.rootschat.com/links/01ju9/

Can't get the 'Baitschailhauche::)

Annie

Could it be "........ School House?"
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Sheret, Hosie, Valentine, Crow, Beattie, McArthur, Wyllie.
Angus (Forfarshire)
Adam, Valentine, Ewan, Elder, Guild, Kydd, Bradford, Stronner, Gibson, Cloudsley, Evans, Stewart, Stott.
Perthshire
Small, Robertson, Murray, Kennedy, McGregor
Ross & Cromarty
Cameron, Stewart, Grant
Banffshire - Gamrie
Anderson, Massie

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Re: SMALL - What is this place on a baptism in Moulin?
« Reply #33 on: Friday 31 March 17 04:10 BST (UK) »
These records look to have been done by OCR (Optical Character Recognition)?

"Contract of sale between James, Lord Ogiluy, (Ogilvy) and James, Master of Ogiluy,(Ogilvy) on the one part and William Small, brother to Patrick Small, portioner of Cwpargrainge, (Cupargrainge) on the other part whereby said Lord dispones to said William 6 acres of land of the burgh in barony of Kethik (?) maybe Kettins? lying in the Baitschailhauche (?) of Cwpar. (Cupar) Keremuir, (Kirriemuir) Airlie"

Coupar Grange is a farm near Coupar Angus, it's also near Bendochy House? Whether or not that is 'Baitschailhauche' or not is another matter...  ;D

It's also not particularly close to Kirriemuir ???

Coupar Grange House? http://search.savills.com/property-detail/gbedrseds160001#/r/detail/GBEDRSEDS160001

(ooooerrr, very fancy)

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Kincardineshire
Sheret, Hosie, Valentine, Crow, Beattie, McArthur, Wyllie.
Angus (Forfarshire)
Adam, Valentine, Ewan, Elder, Guild, Kydd, Bradford, Stronner, Gibson, Cloudsley, Evans, Stewart, Stott.
Perthshire
Small, Robertson, Murray, Kennedy, McGregor
Ross & Cromarty
Cameron, Stewart, Grant
Banffshire - Gamrie
Anderson, Massie

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Re: SMALL - What is this place on a baptism in Moulin?
« Reply #34 on: Friday 31 March 17 04:19 BST (UK) »
Not sure if this would shed any light, but there's more info out there on the Smalls in Bendochy and Coupar Grange here.

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Sheret, Hosie, Valentine, Crow, Beattie, McArthur, Wyllie.
Angus (Forfarshire)
Adam, Valentine, Ewan, Elder, Guild, Kydd, Bradford, Stronner, Gibson, Cloudsley, Evans, Stewart, Stott.
Perthshire
Small, Robertson, Murray, Kennedy, McGregor
Ross & Cromarty
Cameron, Stewart, Grant
Banffshire - Gamrie
Anderson, Massie

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Re: SMALL - What is this place on a baptism in Moulin?
« Reply #35 on: Friday 31 March 17 13:14 BST (UK) »
'lying in the Baitschailhauche' makes it more difficult to understand?

Fasti ecclesiae scoticanae is too small to read.

Annie
South Uist, Inverness-shire, Scotland:- Bowie, Campbell, Cumming, Currie

Ireland:- Cullen, Flannigan (Derry), Donahoe/Donaghue (variants) (Cork), McCrate (Tipperary), Mellon, Tol(l)and (Donegal & Tyrone)

Newcastle-on-Tyne/Durham (Northumberland):- Harrison, Jude, Kemp, Lunn, Mellon, Robson, Stirling

Kettering, Northampton:- MacKinnon

Canada:- Callaghan, Cumming, MacPhee

"OLD GENEALOGISTS NEVER DIE - THEY JUST LOSE THEIR CENSUS"