SMALL - What is this place on a baptism in Moulin?

[Rosinish]

I'm hopeless with maps!

Anyway, found this, not sure if it's the correct area?

http://www.mountblairarchive.org/content/catalogue_item/john-manning-collection/estate-houses/tarvie-house

Can't find much with regards to Tarvie itself.

Annie

[Liviani]

I'm hopeless with maps!

Anyway, found this, not sure if it's the correct area?

http://www.mountblairarchive.org/content/catalogue_item/john-manning-collection/estate-houses/tarvie-house

Can't find much with regards to Tarvie itself.

Annie

Thanks for this. Well here was me thinking it was a farm or something... 

I'm going to have to do a lot of research on Patrick's other children I think and Margaret Robertson as well. Although Margaret Robertson would be an extremely common name. Patrick Small, not so much. There is mention of Robertson's and the Smalls around the internet but having said that Robertson could be anyone really.

Thank you!

Jill

[Rosinish]

Liviani,

"What are the chances... ?  Am I related to the Smalls of Dirnanean"

There's a good chance.

Istrice,

Thanks for help with that good map!

I think we're on the right track?

It's a tricky part of Perthshire as all the areas are in the country rather than towns & flow into one another making it difficult to work out which is where 

Annie

[AlexMcK]

"Also Girsael is a very odd name. No idea if it's male of female."

This *might* be a variation on Grisel, Grizel, or Grizell, (etc)

If it is, it's a female name which is, I believe, derived from Griselda

I have a few of these names in my Scottish lines

Alex

[Liviani]

Well, I did not expect this at all really. Most of my ancestors have been (sorry to say) doing rather mundane farm work on both my mother and father's sides.

Trying not to get ahead of myself here though.

It appears that Tarvie House is no longer there, it appears to be some sort of monstrosity there now.

No offence to the owners if they are on this board, but dear lord that is not good. 

http://hudsonarchitects.co.uk/our-work/tarvie-house

[Liviani]

"Also Girsael is a very odd name. No idea if it's male of female."

This *might* be a variation on Grisel, Grizel, or Grizell, (etc)

If it is, it's a female name which is, I believe, derived from Griselda

I have a few of these names in my Scottish lines

Alex

Ahha! learn something new every day. Thank you for this.

Jill

[Rosinish]

http://hudsonarchitects.co.uk/our-work/tarvie-house

Oh dear 

I'm not sure if it's privately owned or Scottish Heritage or one of those type of groups?

An interesting read but I can't find much substantial in the way of history...

http://www.moulinhotel.co.uk/inn/village.html

This one, 2nd entry..

http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/PERTHSHIRE/2001-05/0990897575

Annie

[Rosinish]

Mention of surnames Robertson & Small, might be of interest?

http://www.rootschat.com/links/01jty/

You need to scroll down.

Annie

[Liviani]

http://hudsonarchitects.co.uk/our-work/tarvie-house

Oh dear 

I'm not sure if it's privately owned or Scottish Heritage or one of those type of groups?

An interesting read but I can't find much substantial in the way of history...

http://www.moulinhotel.co.uk/inn/village.html

This one, 2nd entry..

http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/PERTHSHIRE/2001-05/0990897575

Annie

This is very interesting. I love reading about where my ancestors lived. I've read through some of the statistical accounts for other areas where my ancestors are from etc. Always very interesting.

Thank you for this!

Mention of surnames Robertson & Small, might be of interest?

http://www.rootschat.com/links/01jty/

You need to scroll down.

Annie

"John Gardner, son of James Gardner (deceased) and Margaret Small or Gardner, Address: Peattie, Kettins, Forfarshire [Angus]. Entry relating to the crime of rape, assault and attempt to rape, incest. Date of trial: 6 May 1811, Verdict: Guilty, Verdict Comments: Not a fit object for punishment, Sentence: Imprisonment - life, until safe custody, Note: Allegedly remitted to the High Court of Justiciary at Edinburgh to be heard on 27 May 1811 but was, in fact, continued at Perth on 7 October 1811"

 

Wonder where Margaret Small falls (if anywhere) into the tree. Will definitely investigate this, see if she is a sibling of Leonard or Patrick. Incest though? 

What does "life until safe custoy" mean? Well the "until safe" part at least? And "not a fit object for punishment"? Ill health? Mentally ill?

Rather shocking. I hope he's not related anyway! 

Very interesting nonetheless.

Jill