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Martha Stewart problems.
« on: Thursday 30 March 17 14:38 BST (UK) »
James Holms and Martha Stewart  Feb 12 1842 at Kilbarchan ,Renfrewshire
This is the date their names were put forward for proclamation on marriage; There are no other details at all.

In 1851 and 1861 Martha states she was born Johnstone , Renfrewshire

Death  Registration Certificate.
Martha Holms died December 1861 aged 39.   Barholm, Kilbarchan,
Her parents are named as James Stewart, grocer formerly a soldier, deceased, and Janet maiden surname Craig , deceased.

 I can find nothing more on her parents,  no marriage , or even a birth for Martha that fits.
Can anyone help.

Also  does anyone know why it isn`t the actual marriage entry  from 1842 on SP.
What is "proclamation"

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Re: Martha Stewart problems.
« Reply #1 on: Thursday 30 March 17 17:52 BST (UK) »
Family Search shows it as a marriage on that date
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Re: Martha Stewart problems.
« Reply #2 on: Thursday 30 March 17 18:19 BST (UK) »
I have the original image, there are 11 couples on one page and every one is the same except for the date.
 "Male name  and  female name"  both in  this parish entered their names for proclamation of marriage.

None have any  other information.
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Re: Martha Stewart problems.
« Reply #3 on: Thursday 30 March 17 18:57 BST (UK) »
the list of Old parish Registers on the National Records of Scotland site shows the marriage registers held for Kilbarchan for 1650-1819 and after 1694 the marriages are proclamations only.

 http://www.rootschat.com/links/01jtx/  - gives an explanation of proclamations

Martha could be a child of this marriage

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XYQD-K48

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Cornwall: Allen, Bevan, Bosisto, Carnpezzack, Donithorn, Huddy, James, Retallack, Russell, Vincent, Yeoman
Cards: Thomas (Llanbadarn Fawr)
Glam: Bowler, Cram, Galloway, James, Thomas, Watkins
Lincs: Coupland, Cram
Mon: Cram, Gwyn, John, Philpot, Smart, Watkins
Pembs: Edwards (St. Dogmael's)
Yorks: Airey, Bowler, Elliott, Hare, Hewitt, Kellett, Kemp, Stephenson, Tebb


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Re: Martha Stewart problems.
« Reply #4 on: Thursday 30 March 17 19:26 BST (UK) »
Statutory records started in Scotland in 1855 before that for marriages what is recorded is the calling of the banns For births its is the christening records and what you see when downloading the image is what was recorded in the parish books at the time. Unfortunately there won't be any other information recorded anywhere else. Also not all the records survived so that could be why you can't find a record for the parents and not all christenings were recorded or have not survived

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Re: Martha Stewart problems.
« Reply #5 on: Thursday 30 March 17 19:59 BST (UK) »
Statutory records started in Scotland in 1855 before that for marriages what is recorded is the calling of the banns For births its is the christening records and what you see when downloading the image is what was recorded in the parish books at the time. Unfortunately there won't be any other information recorded anywhere else. Also not all the records survived so that could be why you can't find a record for the parents and not all christenings were recorded or have not survived

Yes, I`m beginning to find that out to my cost.  However I have been lucky in other marriages before 1855 where fathers names and occupation were  listed.
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Re: Martha Stewart problems.
« Reply #6 on: Thursday 30 March 17 20:02 BST (UK) »
Martha could be a child of this marriage
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XYQD-K48
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From her age at death Martha was born about 1822, I did look for other children for this couple after their marriage but found nothing that helped.
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Re: Martha Stewart problems.
« Reply #7 on: Thursday 30 March 17 20:07 BST (UK) »
The only birth match for a Martha Stewart  about the right time  is Andrew Stewart and Janett Craig 16 Feb 1823 Abbey .  Right name for mother but wrong dad.
I can`t find this couple in any census.  :(
I`m not sure where Abbey is, but found this in the census.
1851 Abbey (Paisley) -Renfrewshire
Civil Parish: Abbey (Paisley) Ecclesiastical Parish, Village or Island: -
Johnstone, High St.



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Re: Martha Stewart problems.
« Reply #8 on: Thursday 30 March 17 20:28 BST (UK) »
Who registered Martha's death could they have got the name of her father wrong and is there a son called Andrew or James born to Martha and John