What else could mother's name be?

[isobelw]

I think it looks like Mabey as well. The last letter is almost identical to the y in Rectory.
Isobel

[Rosinish]

My thoughts....

I think it may even be Waben although the 'b' isn't as curly/looped as the 'b' in 'November'

I also think the assumed 'M' in the surname looks nothing like the 'M' in 'St Mary's'

I don't think the end 'n'/'y' is a 'y' as the tail is too short.


Annie

[Ruskie]

Annie's idea of finding them in the censuses is a good one - have you already done this? So far I have only had a quick look at the 1910 census and there are a couple of possible candidates, including the James E that JM found. He is a Brakeman for a Railroad. He and and wife Mary have a son James who is aged 1 and 7/12ths in 1910. He has a possible middle initial which I cannot decipher.

What I would like to know is  - do you have the birth certificate of James Hardie jnr? Does this give his father's name and his mother's name including her maiden name?

Do you know the occupations of your James jnr and James snr? (To help anyone searching for them in the censuses)

[majm]

Hi Ruskie,

I think the snippet from the 1907 NJ marriage cert shows the groom as a Breakman.  This causes me to wonder if the person recording the information was a good speller, or at least wonder if spelling was of any significance at the time.   

JM

[aghadowey]

I read the mother's surname as Maben also & can't see any reason why it can't be that even if you haven't yet found that surname in the area. However, working with the census idea-

1910 census James E. Hardie listed as age 32, born New Jersey-
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:33S7-9RVH-9HDQ?mode=g&i=42&cc=1727033

1915 census James E. Hardie listed as born Dec.1876 New Jersey-
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QV9Q-5BWV

[jennifermulewski]

Thank you all...that is the right James Hardie.  I am able to trace him forward from his 1907 marriage (marriage certificate, 1910 census, 1915 census, WWI registration, 1920 census and death certificate).  What I can't find is any record of him BEFORE his marriage (before 1907).  His death certificate and WWI registration both had December 1877 as a birthdate and being born in Jersey City.  His obituary said he resided in Jersey City his whole life.  I manually searched the December 1877 birth records at the NJ state archives and there was no record of him.  Theoretically there should be a birth certificate, 1880 and 1900 census record of him, but there isn't.  Additionally, there seems to be no record of a James H Hardie (his dad) anywhere EXCEPT James Jr.'s marriage and death certificates.  There is no record of a Mary Maben or Mabey living in Jersey City, NYC or the surrounding areas either.  It's like they dropped out of the sky to get married!

[loobylooayr]

Hiya,

Could it be that James was maybe a wee bit economical with the truth when it came to his age when he married? Maybe he is older than 32 ? People did knock years off when it suited them , especially if he had a much younger bride.
This family jumped out at me on 1880 US Census 
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MN82-J48
- partly because they had a James Hardy born in New Jersey (granted approx. 5 years earlier than your man) , but also because his grandfather was a Henry - and your James Hardie has a son called Henry on 1915 New Jersey Census.
BTW - I think the maiden name of James's mother is Maben.

Looby

[dublin1850]

Left field here - could it be a version of Maher?
Just going on the location and the other Irish names. Is it a Catholic record?

[aghadowey]

This family jumped out at me on 1880 US Census 
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MN82-J48
- partly because they had a James Hardy born in New Jersey (granted approx. 5 years earlier than your man) , but also because his grandfather was a Henry - and your James Hardie has a son called Henry on 1915 New Jersey Census.
BTW - I think the maiden name of James's mother is Maben.

Possible marriage? John Hardy & Mary Dolan-
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:VKMD-RRB