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Patronymics
« on: Saturday 01 April 17 13:59 BST (UK) »
Please some views  on Patronymics  in Anglesey

I  have a baptism  from  Llanallgo  Anglesey

1764  19 August
 David  son of Owen Thomas ap William Parry of Nant  Bychan,  tenant and fisherman.
  I have 3 generations here but  how did Owen Thomas get his name  from William  Parry?

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Re: Patronymics
« Reply #1 on: Saturday 01 April 17 14:14 BST (UK) »
Seems strange to me and I've gone back through a number of patronymic lines in North Wales ancestors.

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Re: Patronymics
« Reply #2 on: Saturday 01 April 17 14:19 BST (UK) »
Hi  Extract  B. T. s  National Library of Wales  and  Baptisms  Llanallgo  Anglesey  Archives
Information  double checked!

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Re: Patronymics
« Reply #3 on: Saturday 01 April 17 14:25 BST (UK) »
Could be a case of Matronymic the female equivalent, were he took his mother's maiden name  ???

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« Reply #4 on: Saturday 01 April 17 14:31 BST (UK) »
Hi  Extract  B. T. s  National Library of Wales  and  Baptisms  Llanallgo  Anglesey  Archives
Information  double checked!

Entry doesn't seem to appear in the  Llanallgo or  Llaneugrad PRs.  Have you got any other info on William Parry?
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Re: Patronymics
« Reply #5 on: Saturday 01 April 17 15:11 BST (UK) »
 No info on  William  Parry but  have a death  of Jane  Parry 1741  Llanallgo.

Surprised no entry  for David  Owen    baptisms  LLanallgo  1764. Where  are you looking?

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Re: Patronymics
« Reply #6 on: Saturday 01 April 17 16:38 BST (UK) »
Trying to find an image of the parish entry but can't see them - may have been mis-indexed.  I've checked that the Llanallgo records are extant.

Is it possible for you to put up a snip or the entry to see if there's anything else that might give a hint.

Are there any wills, etc. that might help - just trying to work around the names  :-\
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Re: Patronymics
« Reply #7 on: Saturday 01 April 17 17:14 BST (UK) »
Just been looking again.

This is not a real patronymic entry  - iwe've only assumed it by the 'ap'  If it was a full patronymic, it would be David ap Owen [ap Thomas..etc]. So it might well be that the 'ap' is really indicating that  Owen Thomas was the (possibly illegitimate) son of William Parry and not a 'real' patronymic at all.

Was David known as David Thomas or David Owen?


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*** Sorry, meant to say that Parry is not a name that would be used in full patronymics - it's a surname derived from the patronymic 'ap harry'
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Re: Patronymics
« Reply #8 on: Saturday 01 April 17 18:07 BST (UK) »
 Have  will of  Owen  Thomas.  All his children given Owen  surname in his will.
  Could  be that William  Parry  married  Jane Thomas?
  I only have  marriage index in Anglesey  from  1754.
Llanallgo  parish  records  only from 1813 on FindMyPast.

 Owen  Thomas  named his first  son  William  and his first daughter Jane!