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Re: Patronymics
« Reply #9 on: Saturday 01 April 17 19:55 BST (UK) »
Any chance of finding a William Parry will?

NLW website is often a bit iffy at weekends for newspapers and wills!
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« Reply #10 on: Saturday 01 April 17 20:32 BST (UK) »
Hi,

"1764  19 August
 David  son of Owen Thomas ap William Parry of Nant  Bychan,  tenant and fisherman."

I would read that as David son of Owen son of Thomas son of William Parry.

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« Reply #11 on: Saturday 01 April 17 20:43 BST (UK) »
Hi,

"1764  19 August
 David  son of Owen Thomas ap William Parry of Nant  Bychan,  tenant and fisherman."

I would read that as David son of Owen son of Thomas son of William Parry.

Ray

If it was full patronymic it would be ......David ap Owen ap Thomas ap William ap Harry

but it's not - it's mixed  :-\
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« Reply #12 on: Sunday 02 April 17 20:20 BST (UK) »
Hi,
They didn't play by the rules, if there are any. "Ap" is often omitted as is "ferch".
Ray

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« Reply #13 on: Sunday 02 April 17 21:12 BST (UK) »
Yes, Ray, I know as I've followed mine  for a good few centuries  ;D

However, in my experience, what was entered in the PRs very much depended on the clergyman/clerk  and it was unusual to mix full patronymics  ( i.e use of ap and ferch) with semi-patronics ( missing the ap/ferch ) and surname form in a single entry.

Peony has the will of Owen Thomas but, so far, nothing on William Parry  :-\

Added - I think we're all conversant with patronymics but I've just found this link which might help others.: http://www.amlwchhistory.co.uk/newdata/welshsurnames.htm

Dafydd Hayes of Clwyd FHS once wrote a very good piece on patronymics but I can't find the ref to it  now - it must have been 10-15 years ago.
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« Reply #14 on: Sunday 02 April 17 22:26 BST (UK) »


Dafydd Hayes of Clwyd FHS once wrote a very good piece on patronymics but I can't find the ref to it  now - it must have been 10-15 years ago.

Found it  -it was 1992!

http://www.clwydfhs.org.uk/helachau/patronymics.htm
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Re: Patronymics
« Reply #15 on: Monday 03 April 17 08:22 BST (UK) »
Useful  article  thank you