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Re: Gordon Blair - Mystery? or Not!
« Reply #342 on: Friday 21 April 17 11:24 BST (UK) »
I have edited reply #340

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Re: Gordon Blair - Mystery? or Not!
« Reply #343 on: Friday 21 April 17 12:53 BST (UK) »
I think it is interesting that the death record for Henry Gordon BAMBER names his mother, with her family name.

If the record was informed by his employer, eg  from staff records, it might name a next of kin  ie his father, but hardly his mother's full name. This certificate would be interesting to see.

Who gave this information?. Unless his employers made more effort to find his family than they did to find him (on Thursday Island).

Otherwise, I suspect that the appearance of George certainly, and Henry possibly, is just the movement of adventurous men to the colonies, and independent of the BLAIRs being there.

I do not see Georgina's maiden name ( that is to say "family name" of BLAIR) on the death index record.

I see her name as the mother --Georgina Lorimer-- (2 given names) BAMBER (family name).

This does not seem an unusual item of record keeping in his particular occupation. "What are your parents' full names?"



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By the time Henry Gordon arrived in Australia, 1911, both Gordon and Julia were dead.
So, I feel unsure about anybody being in touch with anybody.

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Re: Gordon Blair - Mystery? or Not!
« Reply #344 on: Saturday 22 April 17 03:02 BST (UK) »
I suspect H G BAMBER was a committed seafarer, for I think I have found him as a 3rd Mate as early as 1908.   The mariners website is an ongoing project of volunteers typing up passenger and crew lists from the images on the reels held by NSW State Archives.  There may be earlier lists available for transcribing. 

http://marinersandships.com.au/

H G BAMBER, 3rd Mate aged 26, of Liverpool on Hyson (home port of Liverpool) ,

Glasgow to Sydney 2 May 1908
http://marinersandships.com.au/1908/05/media/006hys.jpg

Brisbane to Sydney 18 May 1908.
http://marinersandships.com.au/1908/05/media/097hys.jpg


Trove seems to be having some hiccups at present, but I think it is showing that Hyson came via Albany in Western Australia, arriving there 12 April 1908. 

Perhaps H G BAMBERís personal details were including in his Mates Ticket and associated paperwork. 

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Re: Gordon Blair - Mystery? or Not!
« Reply #345 on: Saturday 22 April 17 04:35 BST (UK) »
Mmm...
We must remember the 1911 immigration record for Henry Gordon gives only "Australia" as his intended place of  future  residence.
I have not seen Henry Gordon on Electoral Rolls in QLD

The fact that his death is registered in QLD is of course because it was in that state he was lost from the "Taiyuan"
Reminder too  ;D. Thursday Island is at least 2000 kilometres from Ipswich where the Gordon BLAIR had once  lived, 20 or so years previously.

By the way, it seems the "Taiyuan" went on to smash into rocks later on that voyage and was out of commission for a time.

http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/225213012

Of possible interest to you Ozscot, there is some census information suggesting Georgina and Paterson BAMBER had 12  children  ;D
Not all survived to adulthood.

I agree that Henry was a professional seafarer and this sighting of possibly brother George suggests early visits to Australia for him too.

"KAROOLA" Of Melbourne
From Port of Fremantle via ports to Sydney, NSW
28th NOV  1910

CREW
BAMBER   GEO.   1st G. Steward
Aged   22
Of LIVERPOOL   

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Re: Gordon Blair - Mystery? or Not!
« Reply #346 on: Saturday 22 April 17 04:38 BST (UK) »
Here's the Bamber family in 1891, Cluney St, West Derby,  RG12, 2979/33

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:731L-TW2

The head of the household was a Dock labourer, and their eldest son (William) was a Steward on Steamships.

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Re: Gordon Blair - Mystery? or Not!
« Reply #347 on: Saturday 22 April 17 23:27 BST (UK) »
Well here's a turn up.!!! They somehow got my email regarding Jane Norval/Blair.???

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Re: Gordon Blair - Mystery? or Not!
« Reply #348 on: Saturday 22 April 17 23:42 BST (UK) »
An arrival.
1911
H G BAMBER. Aged 31. Mariner. Born England. Intending permanently to live in Aust.
Ship, Runic. Departing Liverpool. To Sydney.

The attestation papers for George BAMBER show his mother's address as
17 Sylvania Road, ?   ?   , Liverpool, England.

His father was Mr P BAMBER.

Sue

Yes Sue that was George's arrival for sure.!

1911 Census of his parents Paterson Bamber 60 - Freight Clerk. Georgina Bamber 59 - Wife
42yrs married 12 children 7 alive 5 dead

Address: 17 Sylvania Road, Walton, Liverpool.


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Re: Gordon Blair - Mystery? or Not!
« Reply #349 on: Saturday 22 April 17 23:54 BST (UK) »
I suspect H G BAMBER was a committed seafarer, for I think I have found him as a 3rd Mate as early as 1908.   The mariners website is an ongoing project of volunteers typing up passenger and crew lists from the images on the reels held by NSW State Archives.  There may be earlier lists available for transcribing. 

http://marinersandships.com.au/

H G BAMBER, 3rd Mate aged 26, of Liverpool on Hyson (home port of Liverpool) ,

Glasgow to Sydney 2 May 1908
http://marinersandships.com.au/1908/05/media/006hys.jpg

Brisbane to Sydney 18 May 1908.
http://marinersandships.com.au/1908/05/media/097hys.jpg


Trove seems to be having some hiccups at present, but I think it is showing that Hyson came via Albany in Western Australia, arriving there 12 April 1908. 

Perhaps H G BAMBERís personal details were including in his Mates Ticket and associated paperwork. 

JM

Yes JM he became a Master of Foreign Going Ships in 1906 and had 1st & 2nd mate Certificates.
He was 5' 4" with blue eyes

I found them on Ancestry trees.


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Re: Gordon Blair - Mystery? or Not!
« Reply #350 on: Sunday 23 April 17 00:20 BST (UK) »
Here's the Bamber family in 1891, Cluney St, West Derby,  RG12, 2979/33

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:731L-TW2

The head of the household was a Dock labourer, and their eldest son (William) was a Steward on Steamships.

JM

You have to admire Paterson Janverin Bamber.
He and his family must have gone through some tough times: +/- 1881 : 1891 +/-

1871 - Shipping Clerk
1881 - Commercial Clerk - Unemployed
1891 - Dock Labourer
1911 - Freight Clerk




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