Cooper/Middlesex

[Jane190]

Hello again,

Today I saw on another genealogy side a Post about my ancestors John Cooper and Mary Underwood. And that his  family said that they have gypsies  in the family. Can someone tell me if they were Gypsies?   


John Cooper b.1837 in Heston, Sutton or Blacton Middlesex . Occupation :Gardener, son of William Cooper and Ann Shortland. His wife was Mary Underwood b. 1840 in Chertsey, Surrey, daughter of Richard Underwood b.1817 in Chertsey, Surrey and Elizabeth Jones b.1817 in Chertsey. Richard was a Agr. Labourer.

William Cooper was the son of James Cooper (James Grace Coopper?) b. 1750-1755 in Harmondsworth, Middlesex and Mary Appleton b. 21.sept 1760 in Harmondsworth, Middlesex.

The Information of William Cooper are from a familysearch familytree.

James Cooper and Mary Appleton had the following Children :

Joseph b.1783 Harmondsworth
Mary b. 1785 Harmondsworth
Ann b.1787 Harmondsworth
Martha b. 1788 Harmondsworth
Dinah b. 1790 Harmondsworth
William b. 1791 Harmondsworth
James b.1793 Harmondsworth
Sharlot b.1794 Harmondsworth
Salem b.1794 Harmondsworth
Maria b.1795 Harmondsworth
Charlotte b.1797 Harmondsworth
David  b.1800 Harmondsworth


The familytree also says that James Cooper b.1750-55 Harmondsworth was the son of John Cooper jr. Who was born 1735 in Bincombe, Dorset to James and Catherine Cooper.
I don't know the occupation of James Cooper or his father.

Hope someone can help me ,


Regards

Jane

[rosie99]

Have you found any evidence that they were gypsies

1851 Ann & the children are all Field labourer's - whether they were working on a farm or the brick fields is not indicated.  Do later census have them with occupations that 'fit' travellers or living in accomodation that would infer they were not in static housing. 

[rosie99]

When & where did William Cooper & Ann Shortland marry

[Jane190]

Hello Rosie,

I don't know when they married 

But the parents of Ann Shortland , Thomas Shortland and Mary Dukes married in Hounslow, Middlesex 17 October 1780


And the parents of William Cooper , James Cooper and Mary Appleton married in Harmondsworth, Middlesex 23 april 1782 .

James Cooper and Mary Appleton had 12 Children which are listed above

Two of them called Sharlot and Salem both born in Harmondsworth in year 1794 (twins ). Sharlot and Salem are Romany names or not? Salem is maybe an abbreviation for Solomon?


Regards

Jane

[rosie99]

How do you know that John Coopers parents are William Cooper & Ann Shortland   

I see that Johns marriage shows his father as William and that John is living with an Ann on census

[StevieSteve]

Currently sitting in Heston, where I was brought up for the 1st 18 years of my life, waiting for Sunday lunch, I know roughly where Sutton was, but Blacton? Where does that come from?

[rosie99]

Currently sitting in Heston, where I was brought up for the 1st 18 years of my life, waiting for Sunday lunch

I hope you are sitting out in the sunshine with a nice cool drink 

[rosie99]

I wonder if it is meant to be Heston  - 3rd row down,  Heston is a bit lower

[StevieSteve]

Think you may be right if you can justify that a is meant to be overwitten/crossed out

And yes, garden and cool drink all present and correct