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Joseph Rogers of Bocking (st Mary's)
« on: Saturday 08 April 17 17:25 BST (UK) »
dear all,
while visiting St. Mary's Church in Bocking, Essex, I came across a somewhat dilapidated tomb tucked just around the back with a broken grayish stone slab on top which didn't seem to match the rest of the white stoned tomb. The text on this slab first attracted my attention but I soon dismissed this as unreadable and turned to the inscription on the side of the tomb itself and to my surprise it was a monument to the three daughters of a Joseph Rogers and his wife Susannah !
The information I could get from the inscription ;
Caroline Rogers died 21-09-1851 (3rd daughter)
Sarah Susanna Rogers died 27-07-18xx (eldest daughter wife of Rev. Charles Wakeham AM
Eleanor Rogers died 21-01-1880 (2nd daughter)
I photographed the grey slab as best as I could and did actually find the name Rogers on it and I guess I should have taken an etching or rather many etchings as it was quite a large slab, maybe I can find time to do so Monday, as Sunday I travel to Sudbury and Tuesday I return to Holland,,, anyway, can anyone please find any more information on Joseph, Susanna and his three daughters for me please ? Its quite fascinating and possibly sad as it seems that Joseph and Susanna out lived their daughters ? did they have other sisters and brothers and who was Rev. Charles Wakeham, was he the vicar at St. Mary's ? It is quite a monumental tomb.
Many thanks
Pete Rogers
Sudbury Suffolk, Bocking/Braintree Essex, Hendon/Bethnal green Middx.

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Re: Joseph Rogers of Bocking (st Mary's)
« Reply #1 on: Saturday 08 April 17 17:32 BST (UK) »
Presume they are not connected to your own FH?

Have you checked for census entries for them?

Caroline should be on the 1851 and her death will be on freebmd so you can check her age by using the new GRO facility

Eleanor will be on the 1871 and freebmd will give her age at death

https://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/indexes_search.asp

Have you checked freebmd for a death for Sarah Susanna Wakeham - there is one in 1863 so you should be able to find her on the 1861 census
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Re: Joseph Rogers of Bocking (st Mary's)
« Reply #2 on: Saturday 08 April 17 17:47 BST (UK) »
Hi Carol,
I'm not sure if they are related. I had to travel light and only have limited internet access on dodgy wifi at the B&B I'm based, I am glad I can that I can log in at Roots chat.com, trying to search other sites just results in a crash or takes forever,,,,,, which is why I am hoping for help  :P
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Pete
Sudbury Suffolk, Bocking/Braintree Essex, Hendon/Bethnal green Middx.

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Re: Joseph Rogers of Bocking (st Mary's)
« Reply #3 on: Saturday 08 April 17 18:36 BST (UK) »
Charles Wakeham was the curate of the neighbouring parish of Panfield from 1782 to (I assume) 1797. He died while rector of Wickenby, Lincolnshire in 1822. He was buried in Bocking on 28.03.1822, aged 61.
Most of this info has come from the Clergy database, but he was performing marriages in Bocking in 1814!
Unfortunately his will is not much help, it is of the "all to wife" variety.

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Re: Joseph Rogers of Bocking (st Mary's)
« Reply #4 on: Saturday 08 April 17 18:45 BST (UK) »
1851
Bocking End, Bocking, Braintree, Essex, England

Sarah S   Wakeham   Head Widow   Female   62   Fundholder   Middlesex, Pimer
Caroline   Rogers   Sister   Unmarried   Female   58   Fundholder   Middlesex, Pimer
3 servants

Added: Image does state Pimer.

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Squire/Thomas/Davies/Gibbons/Mordecai/Bowen/Lewis/Rees/Williams/Jones/Llewellyn/Morgan - Glamorgan
Lewis - Breckonshire
Davies/Roderick - Myddfai Carms
Lloyd/Jones - Denbigh/Salop
Thackwell/Thomas - Hereford/Monmouthshire
Shoemac/Squire/Keirle/Small - Somerset
Berry/Baggot/Lee/Clayton - Lancs
Yelland/Bray/Trethewey - Cornwall
Baggot/Hurley/Keaveny/Shiel/Flynn - Ireland

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Re: Joseph Rogers of Bocking (st Mary's)
« Reply #5 on: Saturday 08 April 17 18:50 BST (UK) »
And in 1861

Sarah S Wakeham    74 - widow, fund holder, b Pinner
Eleanor Rogers    73 - sister, fund holder,b Pinner
(plus servants)

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Re: Joseph Rogers of Bocking (st Mary's)
« Reply #6 on: Saturday 08 April 17 18:51 BST (UK) »
Eleanor Rogers
Baptism    26 Aug 1787, St John the Baptist, Pinner
Parents
Joseph Rogers,
Susannah Rogers

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Re: Joseph Rogers of Bocking (st Mary's)
« Reply #7 on: Saturday 08 April 17 19:16 BST (UK) »
1841
Bocking End, Bocking, Braintree, Essex, England

All not b in county

Sarah Wakeham 50 Ind
Ellen   Rogers  45 Ind
Caroline Rogers 45 Ind
3 servants

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Squire/Thomas/Davies/Gibbons/Mordecai/Bowen/Lewis/Rees/Williams/Jones/Llewellyn/Morgan - Glamorgan
Lewis - Breckonshire
Davies/Roderick - Myddfai Carms
Lloyd/Jones - Denbigh/Salop
Thackwell/Thomas - Hereford/Monmouthshire
Shoemac/Squire/Keirle/Small - Somerset
Berry/Baggot/Lee/Clayton - Lancs
Yelland/Bray/Trethewey - Cornwall
Baggot/Hurley/Keaveny/Shiel/Flynn - Ireland

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Re: Joseph Rogers of Bocking (st Mary's)
« Reply #8 on: Saturday 08 April 17 20:02 BST (UK) »
I suspect that the parents did not outlive the daughters in view of the 1861 census. The attached shows that Susan set up a fund/charity to pay for the care of the tomb. Ignore the date, I suspect that this was the date the Charities Commission did some spring cleaning.  http://beta.charitycommission.gov.uk/charity-details/?regid=232547&subid=0

There seems to have been a tradition of members of the Wakeman family as vicars in Bocking, previously a Nicholas Wakeman and possibly a Perryman Wakeman.

This I found on the SEAX website Title:
Marriage licence bond and allegation of Charles Wakeham and Sarah Susanna Rogers
Level: Category
Archdeaconry records
Level: Fonds
ARCHDEACONRY OF COLCHESTER
Level: Sub-Fonds
MARRIAGE LICENCES: BONDS AND ALLEGATIONS
Level: File
Marriage licence, bonds and allegations
Dates of Creation:
1811

Someone with more knowledge of C of E workings may be able to add more information, but Bocking was a "Parish Peculiar", in that while it was situated in the Diocese of Chelmsford, it came under the Diocese of Canterbury.
I can find no marriage in either Panfield or Bocking, but as the Rogers girls were born in Pinner, Middlesex, maybe the marriage took place there, but why the reference to Archdeacon of Colchester??????????

A trip to ERO at Chelmsford on Monday may help with that.

Mark
Olleys in Essex