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Ellen Thornitt - look up please
« on: Monday 10 April 17 08:29 BST (UK) »
I am looking for the death record of Ellen.

I have her birth registered as Ellen Thornitt in 1856 registered in Chipping Norton but cannot find records in the 1861 Census. In the 1871 Census her Mother appears to have remarried and is recorded as Oliver. In 1893 she married Albert Hazel ( son of Albert Hazel out of wedlock) and the marriage  has been registered to Albert Brown. In the 1901 Census record she is recorded as Ellen Hazel and still living in Stonesfield.

She died some time between 1901 and 1911, Albert is living with his brother in the 1911 Census recorded as a widower.

Any help in identifying her baptism record or marriage banns would appreciated and also a death/burial record as I cannot find the death record under Brown or the various spellings of Hazel used by Albert's family.

Family tales indicate she died in labour but given her age this seems unlikely.
Any help appreciated.

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Re: Ellen Thornitt - look up please
« Reply #1 on: Monday 10 April 17 12:06 BST (UK) »
Who do you have as her mother? 

Ambrose Thornitt marries Anne Fletcher Jun 1850 Chipping N and Fletcher is the mothers maiden name of the Ellen born 1856.

Ambrose death Jun 1871 so if Anne is remarried by 1871 census she married fast.  I don't see a marriage to an Oliver.
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Re: Ellen Thornitt - look up please
« Reply #2 on: Monday 10 April 17 12:11 BST (UK) »
Now that Ellen is 14 and still with her widowed mother and siblings in 1871 so must be a different mother to the one you have as Oliver.
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Re: Ellen Thornitt - look up please
« Reply #3 on: Monday 10 April 17 12:22 BST (UK) »
This looks like the 1871 RG10/ 1448 f97 p5

Thomas Oliver   32
Elizabeth Oliver   35
Ellen Thornet   14
Thomas Thornet   11
Edward Oliver   5
Louisa Oliver   3
Annie Oliver   1

Marriage Sep qtr 1864   
Oliver    Thomas       
Thornet    Elizabeth       
Woodstock    3a   909   

I don't think that Chipping Norton birth registration is 'your' Ellen  ;)
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Re: Ellen Thornitt - look up please
« Reply #4 on: Monday 10 April 17 12:53 BST (UK) »
Had a thought, the marriage for Ellen will tell us her fathers name to work back from.

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Re: Ellen Thornitt - look up please
« Reply #5 on: Monday 10 April 17 13:11 BST (UK) »
It would certainly help  ;D
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Re: Ellen Thornitt - look up please
« Reply #6 on: Monday 10 April 17 20:11 BST (UK) »
As would her birth because the birth for Louisa Oliver Dec 1867 Woodstock has mothers maiden name Thornett as does Ann Maria Sep 1869 and George Edward Sep 1865 and if Elizabeth was married before then she should have a different maiden name to the one she married under does that make sense?

Marriage Sep 1864 Woodstock
Thomas Oliver
Elizabeth Thornet

Unless Elizabeth had some illegitimate children before she married anyone.  Confusing  ???
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Re: Ellen Thornitt - look up please
« Reply #7 on: Monday 10 April 17 20:41 BST (UK) »
1861 census for Elizabeth born 1836 Stonesfield
Thomas born 1860 Stonesfield would be useful.

Or Elizabeth marriage to Mr Oliver to see if she was a spinster as things are contradicting themselves  :-\

Was she married before or did she have Thomas and Ellen before she married, if so where are their births?
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Re: Ellen Thornitt - look up please
« Reply #8 on: Tuesday 11 April 17 07:30 BST (UK) »
Thanks to everyone for their help. I think I will follow Milliepede's advise and order the marriage certificate as this may show Ellen's father's name and confirm the link of Albert Brown to the Hazel family.