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Henllan Denbigh Marriage
« on: Tuesday 11 April 17 05:15 BST (UK) »
I have a copy of a marriage cert dated 30th August 1856 Henllan Denbigh of a
 William Jones (full age)
a Bachelor
Labourer of Ochr Bychau
fathers name Edward Jones a labourer
who married
Elizabeth Evans (Under Age)
Spinster
of Groes Fawr fathers name Edward Evans
Witnesses
Thomas Jones
Mary Evans and I have been trying to locate these families in the early parish records and early census records 1851 and 1841 but to no avail.
Hoping that someone may be able to help me with records that may relate. I have been able to locate William and Elizabeth Jones in the 1871 1881 1891 and 1901 census.
Allan, Dow,Boggie,Douglas,Hillock...Scotland
Potts,Tattersall,Wells,Turner,Saxby,Knighton,Brangwin,Thompson,BrownShipton,Hockey.....England
Coleman,Evans,Parsey,Jenkins,....Wales

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Re: Henllan Denbigh Marriage
« Reply #1 on: Tuesday 11 April 17 08:05 BST (UK) »
As the marriage you have given does not us any idea of their ages could you please give an approximate birth date for them also places of birth
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Re: Henllan Denbigh Marriage
« Reply #2 on: Tuesday 11 April 17 08:45 BST (UK) »
Hi Rosie

As the marriage you have given does not us any idea of their ages could you please give an approximate birth date for them also places of birth

I think these are given in earlier threads - see

http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=767899.msg6202057#msg6202057  *

and other postings on that and ref to other threads.

* Wrong link http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=767899.msg6201018#msg6201018


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Re: Henllan Denbigh Marriage
« Reply #3 on: Tuesday 11 April 17 10:27 BST (UK) »
Thank you Rosie for your post.
The 1871 census gives
Event Place Minera, Minera, Denbighshire Wales
William Jones age 38 b 1833 Henllan Denbighshire
Elizabeth Jones age 36 b 1835 Henllan Denbighshire
children
daughter Margaret Jones age 14 b 1857 Henllan Denbighshire
Son Edward Jones age 9 b 1862 Minera Denbighshire
Daughter Catherine Jones age 6 b 1865 Minera Denbighshire
Daughter Jane Jones age 2 b 1869 Minera Denbighshire

1881 census has the above family at Minera Denbighshire with children Edward, Jane and  ANOTHER DAUGHTER
Mary Ellen Jones  Age 4 B 1877 Minera Denbighshire.

William Jones was a Quarry Man..

I have located a 1851 census which gives a Edward Jones age 60 b 1791 St Asaph Flintshire age labourer, wife Elizabeth Jones age 59 b 1792 St Asaph Flintshire daughter Mary Jones age 19 b 1831 St Astaph, son William Jones age 15 b 1836 St Asaph and daughter Elizabeth Jones age 9 b 1842 St Asaph. Event place Denbighshire Wales but dont know if they belong.

Allan, Dow,Boggie,Douglas,Hillock...Scotland
Potts,Tattersall,Wells,Turner,Saxby,Knighton,Brangwin,Thompson,BrownShipton,Hockey.....England
Coleman,Evans,Parsey,Jenkins,....Wales

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Re: Henllan Denbigh Marriage
« Reply #4 on: Tuesday 11 April 17 13:39 BST (UK) »
Might be William in 1841:

1841
Henllan HO107/1402/5/39/3
Edward Jones, 35, ag lab
Catherine, 35
Margaret, 10
William, 8

Thomas, 6
Jane, 4
Richard, 2

All born Denbighshire apart from Edward

a couple of possibles for 1851 as William might have left home

Added - I see that William had a brother Thomas (cf witness)
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Re: Henllan Denbigh Marriage
« Reply #5 on: Tuesday 11 April 17 14:04 BST (UK) »
There are a few possible marriages for an Edward Jones to a Catherine in the approx timescale (1830 +/- 3 ) but not enough info to be certain.
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Re: Henllan Denbigh Marriage
« Reply #6 on: Wednesday 12 April 17 05:13 BST (UK) »
Thank you Gadget for your posts. 
The 1841 census is a good match especially with Thomas Jones also mentioned in the census and a Thomas Jones as a witness in the 1856 marriage of William Jones and Elizabeth Evans

I have not been able to advance any further with Elizabeth Evans bc 1834 Henllan when she  married William Jones fathers name Edward Evans a labourer. Elizabeth seems to have gone off the radar.
Once again thank you for your help.

Allan, Dow,Boggie,Douglas,Hillock...Scotland
Potts,Tattersall,Wells,Turner,Saxby,Knighton,Brangwin,Thompson,BrownShipton,Hockey.....England
Coleman,Evans,Parsey,Jenkins,....Wales

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Re: Henllan Denbigh Marriage
« Reply #7 on: Wednesday 12 April 17 08:44 BST (UK) »
I see that the other witness was a Mary Evans - could it be Elizabeth's sister?  Also, did they use a naming convention for their children ~

Margaret
Edward - fathers
Catherine - William's mother
Jane, Mary Ellen - maybe sisters

Could Elizabeth's mother have been a Margaret?

Just trying to work around the puzzle.
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Re: Henllan Denbigh Marriage
« Reply #8 on: Wednesday 12 April 17 10:03 BST (UK) »
The different census has
 christian names for the 1871 census
William Jones and Elizabeth Evans. Children Margaret, Edward, Catherine and Jane,
the 1881 census for William Jones and Elizabeth Evans has children in household
Edward, Jane and Mary Ellen,
NO 1891 census
1901 census for William Jones and Elizabeth Evans
No children but grandchildren John W Caine, and Lily M Jones.
There is a pattern with names. Thank you for pointing out the familiarity.
Allan, Dow,Boggie,Douglas,Hillock...Scotland
Potts,Tattersall,Wells,Turner,Saxby,Knighton,Brangwin,Thompson,BrownShipton,Hockey.....England
Coleman,Evans,Parsey,Jenkins,....Wales