Handleys Birmingham and Wales

[Marytm]

Sorry new to all this and late,
All Handley's living around aston Birmingham. George marrys Mary Ann Collins in Bordesley Holy Trinity,Warwickshire in 1866. (There are so many George Handley's it's difficult to know but I can't find them after this.)
Arnold was born 1878 died 1911.

[CaroleW]

Using the new GRO search facility - there is no mothers maiden name showing against Samuel Arnold Handleys birth registration which suggests he was illegitimate

He is not with parents in 1881 or 1891 which may confirm that.

George Handley married 12yrs before Samuel was born but if Samuel is the illegitimate son of one of George's sisters - then that may be why Samuel used "George" as his fathers name when he married

There is only one way forward here - buy a copy of the 1878 birth cert to find his mothers name

[Marytm]

Will order birth cert I think. Thankyou.Would it have the Dad's name? Thanks for Everyone's help. This is the first time I have used this site it's great!

[CaroleW]

Would it have the Dad's name?

Highly unlikely

[Marytm]

I have ordered a Marriage Cert from Ancestry web site before but I think the GOV website is cheaper.
What do people think of the paid for websites?My sister and I both use the same and I am thinking of changing as we may get different info?
Ma
Marytm

[Milliepede]

Glad you like the site and please let us know what the birth certificate says, it's nice to know how these things turn out 

I've always ordered certificates from the GRO.  Current price is £9.25. 

I think it's a really good idea for you and your sister to use different sites, as you say what you can't find on one you may well find on the other. 

[CaroleW]

Your reply #13 says you have ordered the marriage cert - think you mean birth cert   

i have always  ordered certs from the GRO website - cheaper than Ancestry

[Marytm]

Thanks Carole and Milliepede.
I have ordered Samuel Arnold's Marriage Certificate previously.Today I used the GOR (not GOV) sorry,
Website to order the Birth certificate.I thought the old ones only had the child's name on.Fingers crossed it will solve the mystery.
  The weird thing is Martha Watts who is Arnold\Samuel Handley's wife had a son in 1914 (my Grand Dad ). I have found out Arnold dies in 1911, so prob same thing here too! My family's full of scandal!
I love doing my Family Tree because of all the stories...
Marytm

[CaroleW]

His birth cert will have his mothers name and address at the time of registering the birth and possibly an occupation for her.  It will also tell you when Samuel was born and possibly the address at which he was born. 

Don't forget to post details when you get the cert and we can see if we are able to get more info for you