Pheobe Ellen Ferniough any other ideas as to who her parents where?

[timmis1]

I have asked about her twice before on RootsChat links below in 2014 & 2015 however I would put it out to the forum again in case anyone has any new ideas.

http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=717223.0
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=680593.18

Just to recap her life events

Census 1851 Colshaw Hollingsclough with Helen Lomas (Pheobe aged 7)
Census 1861   Colshaw Hollingsclough with Helen Lomas (Pheobe aged 17)
Census  1871  Colshaw Hollingsclough with Helen Lomas
Census 1881 Winterside Hollingsclough
Census 1891 Hope Cottage
1901 Chapel en le Frith
1911 School House Burbage (visitor) to Urban & Mary Jane Flander

1st Marriage 1864 Earl Standon Derbyshire to Isaac Wain
2nd Marriage 1879 Burbage to William Bennet

Her children are Ann 1865      from Isaac Wain
         Fredrick 1869, Ellen 1872, Ernest 1874 (unknown fathers)
John 1882, George 1883, William 1889 from William Bennet

From the information above I estimate that she was born 1843/44/45 (she was 20 at her 1st marriage in 1864

Since this time I have bought Pheobe`s1st marriage certificate, there is no entry for her father and the witness are Joseph Goodwin & Harriet Wain(both her husbands relatives)
She also does not provide her fathers name on her second marriage.
I have also had  Staffordshire Archives check to see if she was born in a Staffordshire workhouse, but they could find no record. They also checked the BTs for Hartington & Earl Sterndale 1840 – 1850 but without result.

Perhaps if she is the witness at some one else's wedding this could prove a link with a relative but I have not found anything like that yet.
Any ideas on how to connect her with some relative would be welcome, I was thinking there must be some other official records that she could be on.
By the way she was linked to a Jane Ferniough in the roots chat  http://www.rooschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=680593.18

[Milliepede]

Is there any relationship on the census shown to Helen Lomas?

I guess you have checked the GRO birth index for her.

Birth registration for Ann Wain has mothers name Ferneyoff so many spellings abound 

[Milliepede]

Have you ruled out the Phebe Fernihough birth Jun 1842 Newcastle Lyme district?

Probably not her as mothers maiden name Barnett is given indicating married parents.

Same with Ellen born Leek Jun 1841 has a mothers name Salt.

[timmis1]

Hi Milliepede

Thanks for your response. To tell the truth I don`t feel that I can rule out anything.
As I have not managed to find a blood connection between Phoebe and the Lomas family that she stays with in the 1851,1861,1871 census.
However the frequency of her being there would perhaps indicate more than just a financial arrangement.

The name Salt is interesting, as I wonder if there is a link between the salts and the Ferniought/Wains.
As my mother who is the gg granddaughter of Phoebe (via Ernest Wain) was taken in by a Mary Ellen Smith (ne Salt (Stockport) in 1926 and eventually adopted by her.
The only reason I was given for this happening was that Mary Ellen`s husband requested it on his death bed.
However the name salt cropping up could be just a coincidence.

[Milliepede]

The Ellen F born Leek 1841 with MMN Salt is with a Salt family in 1851 as visitor. 

This Ellen could be the daughter of John F and Hannah Salt.  There is a marriage Jun 1839 Leek with those two names in the mix.

In 1841 Ellen is 3 days old with a sister Ann 1. 

[timmis1]

That`s interesting I just need to see if a Salt moves up to Stockport (this is were Mary Elen Salt originated) according to my mother.

[Milliepede]

Could be a connection to this family.

Just for info this Ellen is with widowed father John sisters Ann and Lavinia plus grandpa Simon F in 1861.

[timmis1]

That doesn`t sound like my Phoebe Ellen then.

Also I have found out that Mary Ellen Salt (born 1871)parents where James Salt and Sarah Jane Salt (both born Stockport Cheshire (1850 for Sarah),
so perhaps that blows my theory out of the water and there is no connection between Phoebe Ellen Ferniough and the Salts of Stockport (as at this time the Salts where in  Leek for the 1851 Census.)

[timmis1]

Thanks to everyone who contributed, but Phoebe is proving too elusive and I am going to close down this request.