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Re: Daniel Craven of Eaton - Dead men can vote!
« Reply #9 on: Monday 17 April 17 06:30 BST (UK) »
I wonder why Daniel was buried at Whitegate when is wife Elizabeth who we think d1845, daughter Martha d1847 and grandson Henry d1843 were all buried at Eaton.
It is of course possible that Daniel was living with is son Thomas at the time of his death in 1848 but
you would need his death cert to be completely certain that you have the right chap.
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Re: Daniel Craven of Eaton - Dead men can vote!
« Reply #10 on: Monday 17 April 17 10:57 BST (UK) »
Rionora - Yes, I think I'll send for the certificate as I'm fairly confident it's the right one.

Mike - I agree with your interpretation but the Bunbury property will need further investigation I think.
Regarding parentage - I couldn't find a Daniel son of Daniel in the right timeframe, only the one I mentioned in my original post, son of Thomas and Martha which seems right as Dan had children named Thomas and Martha.  The other possibility is Daniel son of Robert and Mary baptised at Acton by Nantwich in 1791 but the name Robert doesn't appear in my family.

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Simpson, pately bridge appletreewick & halifax yorks; manchester.
Dixon, storriths bolton abbey addingham & embsay yorks; manchester

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Re: Daniel Craven of Eaton - Dead men can vote!
« Reply #11 on: Monday 17 April 17 11:28 BST (UK) »
Just to point out that Martha was buried in Nantwich on 5 July 1847, aged 30.  Abode given as Union Workhouse, from township of Eaton.  But I can't see anything, in the available Workhouse records, for Martha.



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Re: Daniel Craven of Eaton - Dead men can vote!
« Reply #12 on: Monday 17 April 17 14:00 BST (UK) »
Just to point out that Martha was buried in Nantwich on 5 July 1847, aged 30.  Abode given as Union Workhouse, from township of Eaton.  But I can't see anything, in the available Workhouse records, for Martha.

Thanks BumbleB. Added info to my tree.
Craven, tarporley cheshire; hulme manchester.
Meredith, manchester.
Scanlon, sligo ireland.
Barwick, grove & reading berks; wolverhampton staffs, manchester.
Simpson, pately bridge appletreewick & halifax yorks; manchester.
Dixon, storriths bolton abbey addingham & embsay yorks; manchester


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Re: Daniel Craven of Eaton - Dead men can vote!
« Reply #13 on: Monday 17 April 17 17:24 BST (UK) »
   Yes, the Dead can and do vote even today, and it can be legal. In 1976 I arranged a postal vote for an elector who used it (I posted it for him, having witnessed his signature) on the day of the election I attended his funeral, an hour later I attended the postal vote opening as a scrutineer, and saw his vote opened and the Identity checked, the second  envelope containing his ballot was then put in the pile to be included in the count. Legally if you think about it, there is no difference between this, and getting hit by a truck on the way home from voting. Must happen in every election where absent voting is allowed.
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Re: Daniel Craven of Eaton - Dead men can vote!
« Reply #14 on: Wednesday 19 April 17 15:18 BST (UK) »
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Thanks for your input.  I bet when you posted it you didn't expect a General Election in 6 weeks time!
Ken
Craven, tarporley cheshire; hulme manchester.
Meredith, manchester.
Scanlon, sligo ireland.
Barwick, grove & reading berks; wolverhampton staffs, manchester.
Simpson, pately bridge appletreewick & halifax yorks; manchester.
Dixon, storriths bolton abbey addingham & embsay yorks; manchester

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Re: Daniel Craven of Eaton - Dead men can vote!
« Reply #15 on: Thursday 20 April 17 17:42 BST (UK) »
No Ken, But as they say "Bring it on!" If this election is confined to Brexit, it will be the first single issue election in history; that's why we have referenda, and calling an election could well be a big mistake. All the best,
Roger
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Re: Daniel Craven of Eaton - Dead men can vote!
« Reply #16 on: Saturday 13 May 17 09:30 BST (UK) »
Finally got a copy of the death certificate of the Daniel who died in 1848 and it is definitely my ancestor as the informant was Thomas Craven of Marton, which was his son.  So I suppose his name was just left on the electoral register for a couple of years after until the list was updated.
Many thanks everyone for your input on this one.
Regards
Ken
Craven, tarporley cheshire; hulme manchester.
Meredith, manchester.
Scanlon, sligo ireland.
Barwick, grove & reading berks; wolverhampton staffs, manchester.
Simpson, pately bridge appletreewick & halifax yorks; manchester.
Dixon, storriths bolton abbey addingham & embsay yorks; manchester

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Re: Daniel Craven of Eaton - Dead men can vote!
« Reply #17 on: Saturday 13 May 17 09:52 BST (UK) »
It's always good to know how something panned out. ;)
Thank you for letting us know. :)
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