Gray family - Missing BMDs?

[KGarrad]

Like I said - the answers were all there, but I couldn't see them!
So, I wholeheartedly agree - time for bed!

Found Norah on FreeBMD - but not on GRO?


Carol - I think the marriage was "away from home" because of the illegitimate birth of Arthur?

[groom]

Still a long way to go to get married, why not just go somewhere else in Gloucestershire. I wonder if they had any connection with Wales as Norah's birth was registered there?

[KGarrad]

At that time, the coal mines in South Wales were recruiting - I have people on my mother's aside that moved to the Welsh Valleys from Wiltshire & Kent, to work in the mines!

Part of the Gray family moved to the Tintern area (where my F-i-L was born).
His father was born in Northleach, while uncles and aunts were born in Oxfordshire.
His grandfather and siblings were born in Teignmouth, Devon!

Many of the family ended up in the South Wales valleys, or the Forest of Dean (1920s).

So maybe not so surprising?

[Capetown]

Gloucestershirebmd has

BLACKWELL Arthur W : 1896 - Northleach, Bibury (Blank for Mother's Former Name, which usually means the mother was unmarried  ***

BLACKWELL Elizabeth - mother's maiden name VINCENT : 1878, Cirencester, Northleach Bibury


1891 Census, Northleach, Glos

Charles BLACKWELL, Coal Merchant, Haulier, born Glos, Farmington
Susannah -  37 born Leicestershire, Plungar
Herbert E - 9 born Glos Northleach
Elizabeth 12 - born Glos Northleach


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Family tree online

Charles BLACKWELL/Susannah VINCENT

Herbert Edward BLACKWELL died June 1948 Caerleon, Monmouthshire



Probate

BLACKWELL Herbert Edward :  of 68 Gwyddon Road, Abercarn, Monmouthshire, died 5 April 1948.

Adminstration Llandaff 7 May to Constance Emma Dorcas BLACKBALL, Widow

[KGarrad]

Now that the family I originally posted on are sorted, I have a problem further back!

Martin Gray married Mary Fowler on 29th May 1834 in Broadwell, Oxfordshire.
Children:
Mark, 1836, East Teignmouth, Devon (died 1837)
Elizabeth, 1837, East Teignmouth
Maria, 1841 East Teignmouth
Emily, 1842, East Teignmouth
William Martin, 1844, East Teignmouth
John Mark, 1845, East Teignmouth
Ellen, 1846, East Teignmouth
Hannah/Anna, 1848, East Teignmouth

The 1841 census has the family in East Teignmouth.
Class: HO107; Piece: 220; Book: 11; Folio: 13; Page: 21

On May 29th 1849, Ellen & Anna are baptised in Broadwell, Oxfordshire.
The abode of the parents is "Father's unknown; Mother's the Lunatic Asylum, Littlemore".

The children are on the 1851 census as paupers and lodgers in Broadwell, with Robert and Mary Greenhalf.
Class: HO107; Piece: 1731; Folio: 688; Page: 9

I guess that Mary, at least, is from Broadwell?
And I have no idea where Martin is from!

Anyone have any clues?

[Capetown]

Marriage on Ancestry

Martin GRAY to Mary FOWLER 29 May 1834, Broadwell, Oxfordshire

witnesses:

(best guess)

Jos Raymond HENSBERGH  (James R HENSBERGH - on later census returns)
Elizabeth HENSBERGH

Transcript sent to  COURT (think this is what is says)


The marriage entry underneath of another couple a few weeks later, also says, transcript sent to Court.

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Looking at the 1841 census for Martin & Mary GRAY in Teignmouth, they both state they were not born in the Country - and there is a tick in the column which is headed, Where born, Scotland, Ireland or Foreign Parts and there is a tick for both of them.

East Teignmouth, Devon and quite close, HO107 220 12 (there is Sophia GRAY, daughter Sophia Eliza GRAY - again born in either Scotland, Ireland or Foreign parts & Elizabeth Jane Jnr aged 15.


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Ancestry  Lunatic admission records

Mary GRAY admitted 19 April 1849 Oxford and Sarah GRAY  - 16 May 1849 Oxford


1851 census for Littleworth

Transcribed as GREEN - but faint surname and looks like GRAY

Mary GRAY aged 39 - Widow (no place of birth)


1861 census for Littleworth

Mary GRAY aged 49 - place of birth Broadwell

[CarolA3]

On May 29th 1849, Ellen & Anna are baptised in Broadwell, Oxfordshire.
The abode of the parents is "Father's unknown; Mother's the Lunatic Asylum, Littlemore".

Ancestry  Lunatic admission records

Mary GRAY admitted 19 April 1849 Oxford and Sarah GRAY  - 16 May 1849 Oxford

OFHS has transcribed many of the discharge records from the Oxfordshire County Lunatic Asylum at Littlemore.  These are not available online.

Mary GRAY was first admitted on 19 April 1849.  She was among a group of patients discharged to Worcester County Lunatic Asylum at Powick on 6 January 1864.

Sadly this record doesn't state her age, where she was from, why she was admitted, or whether she underwent treatment continuously between 1849-64.  Her medical records, if they weren't transferred with her to Powick, should be at the Oxfordshire History Centre (OHC) as per this link: http://www.oxfordshirehealtharchives.nhs.uk/hospitals/littlemore_hospital.htm

There might be a bit more info on the OFHS CD, but I'm going out shortly so will have a look later.  In the meantime, maybe someone could verify Capetown's interpretation of the 1841 birthplaces.

Carol

P.S.  One of my rellies was in Littlemore, in fact he died there, and the predecessors of OHC emailed his records to me for an admin fee (£10?) plus £1 per page - bargain

[KGarrad]

Looking at the 1841 census for Martin & Mary GRAY in Teignmouth, they both state they were not born in the Country - and there is a tick in the column which is headed, Where born, Scotland, Ireland or Foreign Parts and there is a tick for both of them.

East Teignmouth, Devon and quite close, HO107 220 12 (there is Sophia GRAY, daughter Sophia Eliza GRAY - again born in either Scotland, Ireland or Foreign parts & Elizabeth Jane Jnr aged 15.


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Ancestry  Lunatic admission records

Mary GRAY admitted 19 April 1849 Oxford and Sarah GRAY  - 16 May 1849 Oxford


1851 census for Littleworth

Transcribed as GREEN - but faint surname and looks like GRAY

Mary GRAY aged 39 - Widow (no place of birth)


1861 census for Littleworth

Mary GRAY aged 49 - place of birth Broadwell

The enumerator for that 1841 census has placed a tick in the last column for all those people NOT born in County?!
The entry in the penultimate column looks to be "N".

Thank you both for the info re Littleworth - very helpful

[KGarrad]

Records for Worcester County Lunatic Asylum, Powick state:

Patient No: 1477   Gray, Mary  Age 52, Female, Married  Occupation: Pauper
Admitted: 6th Jan 1864, abode: Littleworth Lunatic Asylum
Disorder: Mania Chronic
Discharged: 1st October 1870    Recovered

The search webpage is: http://theinfirmary.educationhost.co.uk/Search.php