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John Thomas Pierce 1876 to 1945 flint brick wall.
« on: Monday 17 April 17 17:12 BST (UK) »
Firstly new on here so hi,
Rose Annie Humphreys birth certificate and the 1911 census showed her dad as John Thomas Pierce. His birth date is given on the National ID register as 18th June 1876. I can see he married Agnes Proudman from Rose Annies birth certificate. The only marriage i could find is in Hartlepool. This is miles away so strange. But thats it. I can not find any other census or even his birth certificate, 1911 census shows he was born in flint. The objective is to find his father but i can not find anything to give this such as a baptism.
Very fustrating to be stuck so soon. So any help or pointers would be so welcome.
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Re: John Thomas Pierce 1876 to 1945 flint brick wall.
« Reply #1 on: Monday 17 April 17 17:29 BST (UK) »
The marriage certificate should give his fathers name & occupation. 

People moved around more than we would expect at these times, very often they were in service.

John Thomas Pierce
Marriage 23 May 1904
Hart, Durham
Spouse Agnes Proudman
FHL Film Number 1894203
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Re: John Thomas Pierce 1876 to 1945 flint brick wall.
« Reply #2 on: Monday 17 April 17 17:29 BST (UK) »
Welcome to Rootschat.I'm falling at the first fence on this,I'm not finding any Rose Humphreys anywhere in Flintshire.

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William Russell Jones.
Jones, Griffiths. Stephens, Parry, Gabriel, Conway, Hughes, Evans, Roberts, Lea, Hanmer. Peake, Edwards. Newnes, Davies. Thomas. "Blythin".
All North Wales.
Conway, Durber, Cartlidge, Lovatt, Bebington. Brindley, Sankey, Brunt. Dean. Clewes. Rhodes. Mountford,Walker,Bache, "Gibbons"Hood. Taylor
All Stoke-on-Trent.
Francis - Nantwich Cheshire.
Dennell - Cheshire/Staffordshire.
Talbot-Shropshire
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Re: John Thomas Pierce 1876 to 1945 flint brick wall.
« Reply #3 on: Monday 17 April 17 17:41 BST (UK) »
Welcome to Rootschat.I'm falling at the first fence on this,I'm not finding any Rose Humphreys anywhere in Flintshire.

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William Russell Jones.

Ah I see!I'm not thinking out of the box am I?lolJohn Thomas's daughter Rose Anne was to marry a Humphreys.Its not easy.lol

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William Russell Jones.
Jones, Griffiths. Stephens, Parry, Gabriel, Conway, Hughes, Evans, Roberts, Lea, Hanmer. Peake, Edwards. Newnes, Davies. Thomas. "Blythin".
All North Wales.
Conway, Durber, Cartlidge, Lovatt, Bebington. Brindley, Sankey, Brunt. Dean. Clewes. Rhodes. Mountford,Walker,Bache, "Gibbons"Hood. Taylor
All Stoke-on-Trent.
Francis - Nantwich Cheshire.
Dennell - Cheshire/Staffordshire.
Talbot-Shropshire
Census Information Is Crown Copyright,from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk

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Re: John Thomas Pierce 1876 to 1945 flint brick wall.
« Reply #4 on: Monday 17 April 17 17:53 BST (UK) »
I think you'll find your John Thomas was in fact born in 1879.The 1891 Census shows his father as a Daniel Pierce born in Pwillheli Caernarvonshire in c 1851.His  mother shows as an Emma born in Holywell in c 1849.Fliintshire BMD shows that they married at Holywell St James in 1875.She is shown to be an Emma Jones.

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William Russell Jones.
Jones, Griffiths. Stephens, Parry, Gabriel, Conway, Hughes, Evans, Roberts, Lea, Hanmer. Peake, Edwards. Newnes, Davies. Thomas. "Blythin".
All North Wales.
Conway, Durber, Cartlidge, Lovatt, Bebington. Brindley, Sankey, Brunt. Dean. Clewes. Rhodes. Mountford,Walker,Bache, "Gibbons"Hood. Taylor
All Stoke-on-Trent.
Francis - Nantwich Cheshire.
Dennell - Cheshire/Staffordshire.
Talbot-Shropshire
Census Information Is Crown Copyright,from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk

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Re: John Thomas Pierce 1876 to 1945 flint brick wall.
« Reply #5 on: Monday 17 April 17 18:05 BST (UK) »
Sorry it is probably my wording. Rose Annie was a Pierce who went on to marry a Humphreys.
Is my logic sound in the following argument.
 1. I know John Thomas was Rose Annies Dad from the 1911 census.
 2. His DOB was given in the 1939 register as 18th June 1976.
 3. I have a Birth certificate for a John Pierce 18th June 1976 in flint, but different address.

Should I assume this is him? How would I verify such?
Many thanks

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Re: John Thomas Pierce 1876 to 1945 flint brick wall.
« Reply #6 on: Monday 17 April 17 18:06 BST (UK) »
I think you'll find your John Thomas was in fact born in 1879.The 1891 Census shows his father as a Daniel Pierce born in Pwillheli Caernarvonshire in c 1851.His  mother shows as an Emma born in Holywell in c 1849.Fliintshire BMD shows that they married at Holywell St James in 1875.She is shown to be an Emma Jones.

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William Russell Jones.
Thanks Ill look that up as well its a lead.

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Re: John Thomas Pierce 1876 to 1945 flint brick wall.
« Reply #7 on: Monday 17 April 17 18:14 BST (UK) »
His birth is definitely given as of 1879.It looks like whoever was the informant of his death gave very much an estimated year of birth.

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William Russell Jones.
Jones, Griffiths. Stephens, Parry, Gabriel, Conway, Hughes, Evans, Roberts, Lea, Hanmer. Peake, Edwards. Newnes, Davies. Thomas. "Blythin".
All North Wales.
Conway, Durber, Cartlidge, Lovatt, Bebington. Brindley, Sankey, Brunt. Dean. Clewes. Rhodes. Mountford,Walker,Bache, "Gibbons"Hood. Taylor
All Stoke-on-Trent.
Francis - Nantwich Cheshire.
Dennell - Cheshire/Staffordshire.
Talbot-Shropshire
Census Information Is Crown Copyright,from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk

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Re: John Thomas Pierce 1876 to 1945 flint brick wall.
« Reply #8 on: Monday 17 April 17 18:15 BST (UK) »
I looked at the family of the John Thomas Pierce identified by WRJ and I am convinced he is not your man.I believe he married an Ethel Turner in 1903.

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