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Re: Joseph Davies b. 1845 - cannot find birth cert entry to order
« Reply #9 on: Wednesday 19 April 17 14:24 BST (UK) »
Thank you everyone for your help.  I have gone back into the Parish registers and the GRO and came up with the following:

April 5th 1840 (bapt.) Son Griffith born to Mary & Griffith Davies Bettws Farmer
[Possible GRO: Corwen (Q2 1840 – 27, 147)] <br>
1842   John - couldn't find baptism or GRO <br>            
November 20th 1843 (bapt.)   Son David born to Mary & Griffith   Davies Pen Uchaf y Llan Farmer
[Possible GRO: Corwen (Q2 1843 – 27, 152); Corwen (Q4 1843 – 27, 152); Corwen (Q4 1843 – 27, 157)] <br>
February 20th 1845 (bapt.) Son Joseph born to Mary & Griffith   Davies Pen Uchaf y Llan Farmer   
[Can't find GRO] <br>
1848   Margaret - couldn't find baptism or GRO <br>            
July 21st 1854 (bapt.) Son Robert born to Mary & Griffith   Davies Winllan Farmer
[Possible GRO: Corwen (Q2 1854 - 11B, 408)] <br>

I will order Robert's and Griffith's birth certs to get their mother's maiden name.

Regards,

Nic
Berkshire: Clarke, Croxford, Eustace
Bilston, Staffordshire: Dean
Devon: Blackmore, Matthews
Gwyddelwern, Betws GG, Denbighshire: Davies, Evans
Glamorgan: Dean, Matthews
Hull: Grant, Nicholson, Patterson, White
Newcastle: Patterson
Shafton, Yorkshire: Miles, Moulson,
Wiltshire: Emery

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Re: Joseph Davies b. 1845 - cannot find birth cert entry to order
« Reply #10 on: Wednesday 19 April 17 14:35 BST (UK) »
I do have a marriage certificate for Griffith and Mary Huges but I was dubious as to whether it was the right one:
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02 November 1839 Llanfihangel GM both of full age.
Griffith is down as a "Hosier" rather than a farmer.
The address for both is Tynewydd, Corwen Parish, Llechweddygaer. 
Parents are recorded as Griffith Davies and John Hughes, both farmers
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Does this help shed any light on obtaining Joseph's birth cert (assuming he has one!)?

Thank you,

Nic
Berkshire: Clarke, Croxford, Eustace
Bilston, Staffordshire: Dean
Devon: Blackmore, Matthews
Gwyddelwern, Betws GG, Denbighshire: Davies, Evans
Glamorgan: Dean, Matthews
Hull: Grant, Nicholson, Patterson, White
Newcastle: Patterson
Shafton, Yorkshire: Miles, Moulson,
Wiltshire: Emery

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Re: Joseph Davies b. 1845 - cannot find birth cert entry to order
« Reply #11 on: Wednesday 19 April 17 14:37 BST (UK) »

April 5th 1840 (bapt.) Son Griffith born to Mary & Griffith Davies Bettws Farmer
[Possible GRO: Corwen (Q2 1840 – 27, 147)] <br>

I will order Robert's and Griffith's birth certs to get their mother's maiden name.


As mentioned GRO indexes give mother's maiden name

Griffith DAVIES mmn      HUGHES     
GRO Reference: 1840 Jun Quarter in CORWEN  Volume 27  Page 147



November 20th 1843 (bapt.)   Son David born to Mary & Griffith   Davies Pen Uchaf y Llan Farmer
[Possible GRO: Corwen (Q2 1843 – 27, 152); Corwen (Q4 1843 – 27, 152); Corwen (Q4 1843 – 27, 157)] <br>


David DAVIES mmn HUGHES    
GRO Reference: 1843 Dec Quarter in CORWEN  Volume 27  Page 157   

         
July 21st 1854 (bapt.) Son Robert born to Mary & Griffith   Davies Winllan Farmer
[Possible GRO: Corwen (Q2 1854 - 11B, 408)] <br>


Robert DAVIES mmn HUGHES 
GRO Reference: 1854  Sep  Quarter in CORWEN  Volume 11B  Page 369


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Re: Joseph Davies b. 1845 - cannot find birth cert entry to order
« Reply #12 on: Wednesday 19 April 17 14:42 BST (UK) »

1848   Margaret - couldn't find baptism or GRO <br>            


I wonder if one of these might be Margaret's

Margaret DAVIES mmn   HUGHES    
GRO Reference: 1846  Mar Quarter in CORWEN  Volume 27  Page 164

Margaret DAVIES mmn   HUGHES    
GRO Reference: 1847  Jun Quarter in CORWEN  Volume 27  Page 148

ADDED might one of these be John's ?


1842   John - couldn't find baptism or GRO <br>            
   

John DAVIES mmn   HUGHES    
GRO Reference: 1841 Dec Quarter in CORWEN  Volume 27  Page 147

John DAVIES mmn HUGHES
GRO Reference: 1842  Dec Quarter in CORWEN UNION  Volume 27  Page 142

John DAVIES mmn HUGHES     
GRO Reference: 1844  Sep Quarter in CORWEN  Volume 27  Page 147
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Re: Joseph Davies b. 1845 - cannot find birth cert entry to order
« Reply #13 on: Wednesday 19 April 17 15:08 BST (UK) »
Sorry I can't see an obvious Corwen birth registration for a Joseph Davies Mar quarter 1845  ???

This is all I could find

Joseph DAVIES mmn EDWARDS     
GRO Reference: 1844  Mar Quarter in CORWEN UNION  Volume 27  Page 161

There is this one but wrong year and surname is Hughes indicates illegitimate as no mother's maiden name

Joseph HUGHES - mother's maiden left blank   
GRO Reference: 1843  Mar Quarter in CORWEN UNION  Volume 27  Page 151   


from the GRO index, children with the same first name on the 1851 census were registered to a mother named Hughes in Corwen at the right times, except for Joseph.

Some Josephs with the same mother's maiden name were registered at the right time but not in Corwen.


Perhaps it might be worth checking the ones that were not registered in Corwen



   
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Re: Joseph Davies b. 1845 - cannot find birth cert entry to order
« Reply #14 on: Wednesday 19 April 17 15:48 BST (UK) »
Thank you Ladyhawk for all your effort - it has certainly helped narrow things down!

Shame that Joseph is being elusive, especially as he is my direct descendent, but I certainly have enough to move on with.

Your help is much appreciated!

Nic
Berkshire: Clarke, Croxford, Eustace
Bilston, Staffordshire: Dean
Devon: Blackmore, Matthews
Gwyddelwern, Betws GG, Denbighshire: Davies, Evans
Glamorgan: Dean, Matthews
Hull: Grant, Nicholson, Patterson, White
Newcastle: Patterson
Shafton, Yorkshire: Miles, Moulson,
Wiltshire: Emery

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Re: Joseph Davies b. 1845 - cannot find birth cert entry to order
« Reply #15 on: Wednesday 19 April 17 17:43 BST (UK) »
You probably already know this,but the 1841 census has Griffith and Mary Davies with son Griffith at Penychar Llan(sic) ref HO 107/1428/1/8/10,consistent with your other data,and Joseph's 1845 birth.

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Re: Joseph Davies b. 1845 - cannot find birth cert entry to order
« Reply #16 on: Wednesday 19 April 17 18:48 BST (UK) »
I didn't notice it before,but Winllan is listed adjacent to Penychar Llan in the 1841 census.

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Re: Joseph Davies b. 1845 - cannot find birth cert entry to order
« Reply #17 on: Thursday 20 April 17 08:29 BST (UK) »
Looking locally on North Wales BMD,there is a Birth in 1944 of a Joseph Davies in the Corwen sub-district.there is none in 1845.
http://www.ukbmdcertificateordering.co.uk/certapp.php?type=births&data=DAVIES%7CJoseph%7CCorwen%7CWrexham+County+Borough+%28Wrexham%29%7C1844%7C1844%7C%7CAA%3ACRWN%2F02%2F90%7CD%7C16769%7Cnorthwales%7CAA%7C&lang=

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William Russell Jones.
Jones, Griffiths. Stephens, Parry, Gabriel, Conway, Hughes, Evans, Roberts, Lea, Hanmer. Peake, Edwards. Newnes, Davies. Thomas. "Blythin".
All North Wales.
Conway, Durber, Cartlidge, Lovatt, Bebington. Brindley, Sankey, Brunt. Dean. Clewes. Rhodes. Mountford,Walker,Bache, "Gibbons"Hood. Taylor
All Stoke-on-Trent.
Francis - Nantwich Cheshire.
Dennell - Cheshire/Staffordshire.
Talbot-Shropshire
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