William Grundy mariner b approx 1806

[brigidmac]

I've posted in occupation s general question about merchant navy apprentices

There is a William Grundy enrolling Oct 1844 for 4 years age 15
And one or two different George Grundys in 1846 and 1847.

http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=769976.msg6225405#msg6225405

I thougt the mariner connection was  a a good indication that these were children of our 'ancient mariner'William Grundy
But my mother thinks the Walton on the hill workhouse may have specialised in turning out sailors

We know the Kirkdale workhouse trained children in tailoring at that time
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[heywood]

That fits perfectly

She could have died in childbirth ....George may well have been born in workhouse

I thought it fitted until you found the death of a young Sarah who would fit with the baptism 

[brigidmac]

Could this be George Grundy  history or two different people

Born 1832 in workouse 

in workhouse aged 9      1841


1846 committing larceny aged 14      3 weeks prison



  1846 age 15          merchant navy apprentice  liverpool deserted at London 6/11/1848 cancelled by mutual consent 14/12'/48 liverpool


1847  Jan    age 16     Liverpool left 18/01/1848

1851 age 19  in prison    occupation shoemaker

1871 George 40 widower with Eliz 9 Alex 4.  Occupation porter and general ...... Illegible

1881 widow shoemaker with daughter Eliza 20 and son Alex 18

1893 age 63 west Yorks courts " rogues and vagabonds" is the crime  Liverpool 12th Feb

1901 widower age 71 marine fireman

There were a few other petty sessions that i didn't check

I need to go back .cross referencing all the addresses
It's so addictive he's not a direct relatives and may not even belong on this tree but a fascinating fellow

I need to find his wife's name and their marriage

[brigidmac]

You.re right Heywood

if Sarah daughter of William and Harriet died in workhouse
Can't be the same Sarah Grundy who married Edward Healey

Having a sister called Ann and a father called William as the only definite clues we have to identity

[brigidmac]

Hi workhouse Sarah death doesn't fit exactly because if she was 8 in 1836 she would have been born 1828 after the July 1827 baptism

I've been trolling thru baptisms and christenings for a Sarah Grundy b around 1823 with mother Sarah pages and pages but by search parameters won't show me London ones .....Don't know what I'm doing wrong
 ..I tried leaving William off too in case he is an invented father

Harriet is a less common names and does occur in later generations  so i.m hoping she is the correct mother
Could she be Harriet Sarah Grundy. ?  Nee ?  So on ,1841 census as Sarah 36 with the Healey family ??

[brigidmac]

There is a possibility for Harriet   Grundy  aged 46  1851
In little Heaton Lancashi

She is listed as sister to Alice Grundy    they are all cotton loom weavers

Or Sarah Grundy aged 48 who is listed as neice

Very difficult to read as census has been damaged look s like fire

[brigidmac]

Heywood
I double checked workhouse

Harriet who died in workhouse seems to have been age 21   the lady below is aged 36
Little Sarah on same page looks more like Greening than Grundy

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[brigidmac]

How about this record .

William Sharp alias Grundy April 1820   age 20
Committed a felony   whilst ship moored at Chatham

I'm not sure what happened to him ..N S A 25th SEPT

[heywood]

I have been searching 1841 - it is odd that there is no sign of Sarah and Ann.