Author Topic: Marriage of Robert Thomas to Catherine Gwynne either at Llanymynech or Oswestry  (Read 818 times)

Offline johneowens

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A Robert Thomas was living with Catherine Gwynne's family in Llanymynech in the 1841C. Both were about 20 and apparently not biologically related. Somewhere I found a married of these 2 7 July 1844 at Llanymynech. Can anyone find this marriage for me, please, at Llanymynech? I slipped up with my record keeping. I've been looking in Salop but the Welsh-English border apparently runs down the main street so it could be in Denbighshire or even Montgomeryshire.

Now, assuming this marriage date is correct, it seems strange that they did not produce children until 3 January 1851 when John Robert Thomas was born.

This later date would fit in with a later marriage in the 1stQ of 1850 @ Oswestry but it does stretch imagination that they were living in the same house in Llanymynech for 9 years before marrying and producing children, by which time both would be 30, which is a tad old for those days.

Can anyone please help me with this puzzle?

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Thomas-Oswestry, Salop/Liverpool
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Re: Marriage of Robert Thomas to Catherine Gwynne either at Llanymynech or Oswestry
« Reply #1 on: Saturday 22 April 17 06:41 BST (UK) »
I'm not seeing an 1844 marriage on FreeBMD?
Only the 1850 marriage.

The 1841 census didn't mention any relationships? So there is no way of determining, from that census, whether they were related or not.

GenUKI has this to say about Llanymynech:
"LLANYMYNECH, a parish in the upper division of the hundred of Oswestry, county Salop with a part in the county of Montgomery, 6 miles S.W. of Oswestry, its post town, and 17 N.W, of Shrewsbury. It is situated on the borders of Denbighshire and Montgomeryshire, a small portion of the parish extending into those counties."
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Re: Marriage of Robert Thomas to Catherine Gwynne either at Llanymynech or Oswestry
« Reply #2 on: Saturday 22 April 17 07:42 BST (UK) »
Census is just a record of who is staying at a property on one night and it cannot be assumed that it was the permanent residence of them both  :-\

Roberts occupation was Schoolmaster and it was likely he was only in lodgings he may have moved into another residence in Llanymynech during the following years
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Re: Marriage of Robert Thomas to Catherine Gwynne either at Llanymynech or Oswestry
« Reply #3 on: Saturday 22 April 17 14:26 BST (UK) »
Thanks, both, for these observations. The puzzle remains - as is often the case in this line on enquiry.

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Owens-Swansea/Wallasey/Garston,L’pool
Jones-Erbistock/Widnes
Allen-Tetsworth/Hoole/Runcorn/St.Helens/Iowa/Kansas/Nebraska
Yieveley/Yevily/Everley/Heviley-Little Ness,Salop/Oldbury/St Helens/Garston,L'pool
Davies-Holywell,Garston,L'pool
Ithel-Bagilt,Mold
Fletcher-Rainhill/Widnes
Hughes-Marchwiel,Bangor-Is-Coed,Denbs
Thomas-Oswestry, Salop/Liverpool
Cole-Cliffe Peppard/Lyneham, Wilts
Frawley-Rathkeale, Co. Limerick
Conway-Coolanoran,Co.Limerick
Dinneen-Ballingarry,Co. Limerick

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http://www.melocki.org.uk/salop/Llanymynech.html


Name   William Thomas
Gender   Male
Christening Date   17 Aug 1834
Christening Date (Original)   17 AUG 1834
Christening Place   OSWESTRY,SHROPSHIRE,ENGLAND
Father's Name   Robert Thomas
Mother's Name   Catherine


Name   Elizabeth Thomas
Gender   Female
Christening Date   29 Jul 1838
Christening Date (Original)   29 JUL 1838
Christening Place   WHITTINGTON,SHROPSHIRE,ENGLAND
Father's Name   Robert Thomas
Mother's Name   Catherine


Name   Edward Thomas
Gender   Male
Christening Date   11 Oct 1840
Christening Date (Original)   11 OCT 1840
Christening Place   OSWESTRY,SHROPSHIRE,ENGLAND
Father's Name   Robert Thomas
Mother's Name   Catherine


Name   John Robert Thomas
Gender   Male
Christening Date   03 Jan 1851
Christening Date (Original)   03 JAN 1851
Christening Place   LLANYMYNECH,SHROPSHIRE,ENGLAND
Death Date   15 Jan 1852
Father's Name   Robert Thomas
Mother's Name   Catherine


Name   Thomas Thomas
Gender   Male
Christening Date   14 Dec 1852
Christening Date (Original)   14 DEC 1852
Christening Place   LLANYMYNECH,SHROPSHIRE,ENGLAND
Death Date   17 Dec 1852
Father's Name   Robert Thomas
Mother's Name   Catherine


Name   Mary Thomas
Gender   Female
Christening Date   20 Nov 1853
Christening Date (Original)   20 NOV 1853
Christening Place   LLANYMYNECH,SHROPSHIRE,ENGLAND
Father's Name   Robert Thomas
Mother's Name   Catherine


Name   Elizabeth Thomas
Gender   Female
Christening Date   13 Jun 1856
Christening Date (Original)   13 JUN 1856
Christening Place   LLANYMYNECH,SHROPSHIRE,ENGLAND
Father's Name   Robert Thomas
Mother's Name   Catherine



1861 C   Carreghofa     Garth    Llanfyllin

Robert Thomas   Head   M   41   Parish Clerk   Oswestry, Shropshire
Catherine Thomas   Wife   F   41               Llanymynech, Shropshire
Mary Thomas   Daughter   F   7               Llanymynech, Montgomeryshire
Elizabeth Thomas   Daughter   F   5        Llanymynech, Montgomeryshire
Margaret E Thomas   Daughter   F   3        Llanymynech, Montgomeryshire
Margaret Owens   Niece   F   19                Sacombe, Cheshire
Eliza Griffiths   Servant   F   15                          ..., Shropshire

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Salop Adams,Backhouse,Bailey,Carnal,Carter,Cartwright,Chambre, Chettoe,Cooper,Erpe,Fewtrell,Gardner,Greenhouse,Gwilliam,Humphrey,Jenks,Morrey,Otherton,Parry,Pickerall,Powell,Pugh,Reeves,Reynolds, Roberts,Rogers,Salter,Whittakers,Worrall,Wright,Yale

Mont.  Davies,Edwards,Hughes,Lewis,Maddox,Mapp,Pritchard
Almeley  Prichard
Battersea  Young
Brechin  Allan,Barrie,Hardie,Mathewson,Mitchell,Strachan,Watt
Chelsea  Coates,Smith
Cheshire  Penlington
Emneth  Bennington
Wisbech  Bell,Briggs,Willcock

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Name   Catherine Gwynne
Gender   Female
Christening Date   09 Apr 1820
Christening Date (Original)   09 APR 1820
Christening Place   LLANYMYNECH,SHROPSHIRE,ENGLAND
Father's Name   John Gwynne
Mother's Name   Mary


1841 C  Llanymynech      Parish of Llanymynech Shropshire

Mary Gwynne      F   60-64   Shropshire
George Gwynne      M   20-24   Shropshire
Catherine Gwynne      F   20-24   Shropshire
Mary Gwynne      F   25-29   Shropshire
David Gwynne      M   1   Shropshire
Robert Thomas      M   20-24   Shropshire
Thomas Thomas      M   8   Shropshire
Salop Adams,Backhouse,Bailey,Carnal,Carter,Cartwright,Chambre, Chettoe,Cooper,Erpe,Fewtrell,Gardner,Greenhouse,Gwilliam,Humphrey,Jenks,Morrey,Otherton,Parry,Pickerall,Powell,Pugh,Reeves,Reynolds, Roberts,Rogers,Salter,Whittakers,Worrall,Wright,Yale

Mont.  Davies,Edwards,Hughes,Lewis,Maddox,Mapp,Pritchard
Almeley  Prichard
Battersea  Young
Brechin  Allan,Barrie,Hardie,Mathewson,Mitchell,Strachan,Watt
Chelsea  Coates,Smith
Cheshire  Penlington
Emneth  Bennington
Wisbech  Bell,Briggs,Willcock

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1807, July 17. John Gwynne, bac., s. of David Gwynne of Castle Caereinion, farmer, & Mary his w., aged 26, & Mary Price, sp., d. of Hugh Price, farmer, & Elizabeth his w., aged 27.

http://www.melocki.org.uk/salop/Llanymynech.html

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Mont.  Davies,Edwards,Hughes,Lewis,Maddox,Mapp,Pritchard
Almeley  Prichard
Battersea  Young
Brechin  Allan,Barrie,Hardie,Mathewson,Mitchell,Strachan,Watt
Chelsea  Coates,Smith
Cheshire  Penlington
Emneth  Bennington
Wisbech  Bell,Briggs,Willcock

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Thanks very much, Alberbury for these valuable records.

I'm away from my files at this time but will get back to you with any queries.

Many thanks and best wishes

John
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Jones-Erbistock/Widnes
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Davies-Holywell,Garston,L'pool
Ithel-Bagilt,Mold
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Hughes-Marchwiel,Bangor-Is-Coed,Denbs
Thomas-Oswestry, Salop/Liverpool
Cole-Cliffe Peppard/Lyneham, Wilts
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Conway-Coolanoran,Co.Limerick
Dinneen-Ballingarry,Co. Limerick

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Re: Marriage of Robert Thomas to Catherine Gwynne either at Llanymynech or Oswestry
« Reply #8 on: Saturday 24 June 17 18:53 BST (UK) »
https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Gwynne-83

John Gwynne

Born 17 Jan 1779 in Castle Caereinion, Montgomeryshire, Wales

Son of David Gwynne and Mary Sambrook

Brother of David Gwynne, Evan Gwynne, Robert Gwynne, Mary Gwynne, Elizabeth Gwynne, Anne Gwynne and Margaret Gwynne

[spouse(s) unknown]

[children unknown]

Died 23 Dec 1835 in Llanymynech, Shropshire, , England
Salop Adams,Backhouse,Bailey,Carnal,Carter,Cartwright,Chambre, Chettoe,Cooper,Erpe,Fewtrell,Gardner,Greenhouse,Gwilliam,Humphrey,Jenks,Morrey,Otherton,Parry,Pickerall,Powell,Pugh,Reeves,Reynolds, Roberts,Rogers,Salter,Whittakers,Worrall,Wright,Yale

Mont.  Davies,Edwards,Hughes,Lewis,Maddox,Mapp,Pritchard
Almeley  Prichard
Battersea  Young
Brechin  Allan,Barrie,Hardie,Mathewson,Mitchell,Strachan,Watt
Chelsea  Coates,Smith
Cheshire  Penlington
Emneth  Bennington
Wisbech  Bell,Briggs,Willcock