Author Topic: Alice Fraser boarded out child at Benvie Farm cottage in 1911  (Read 3970 times)

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Re: Alice Fraser boarded out child at Benvie Farm cottage in 1911
« Reply #18 on: Tuesday 25 April 17 21:21 BST (UK) »
At least one of the boys was, apparently, born in Dundee. If both brothers were born in Dundee, and placed in the Dundee industrial school in 1903, this might suggest that the family had become a charge on the Dundee rather than the Glasgow Parochial Board. If you are already a volunteer with Dundee City Archives you are in a better position than the rest of us to see if the industrial school records shed any light on the family, and if there are any records of Alice in the Dundee Parochial Board records, assuming of course that these records have survived.
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Re: Alice Fraser boarded out child at Benvie Farm cottage in 1911
« Reply #19 on: Tuesday 25 April 17 22:21 BST (UK) »
This may be a reference to brother William in the Royal Navy from possibly as early as 1908:

Name: William Fraser
Birth Date: 1 Jul 1892
Birth Place: Aberdeen
Date: 1908-1955
Service Number: TS 3404

You can pay to view some records for him here http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/D8571642

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Re: Alice Fraser boarded out child at Benvie Farm cottage in 1911
« Reply #20 on: Tuesday 25 April 17 22:30 BST (UK) »
Forfarian, the 1901 census transcript is showing:

Charles Fraser 25 Pipe Track Labourer b. Portsmouth
Williamina Fraser 25 born (South?) America Brazil
William Fraser 8 b. Aberdeen
Charles Fraser 7 b. Glasgow
Alice Fraser 13 months b. Glasgow
Williamina Fraser 13 Months b. Glasgow

Address: 51 Castle St, Glasgow/St Rollox

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Re: Alice Fraser boarded out child at Benvie Farm cottage in 1911
« Reply #21 on: Wednesday 26 April 17 08:30 BST (UK) »
Thanks, Monica. Portsmouth and Brazil, eh? Quite an advance on 'he was English' and no information about her.

Any mention of Portsmouth immediately makes me wonder about a naval connection. Could he have been 'born in England' rather than 'English', and could his father have been in the Royal Navy?

If he was 19 when he married, he must have been 26 or 27 by the date of the 1901 census, therefore born 1872/1874.

Now into realms of speculation but .... in the 1911 census in Staffordshire there is a Frederick Augustus Fraser, aged 61, Army pensioner, born Inverness, with wife Fanny, to whom he had been married 21 years, and they had no children. There is a marriage of Frederick Fraser to Fanny Bayliss in Walsall in 1890. In 1891 this couple are in Stafford with a 7-year-old son Alfred W, born Hednesford, Staffordshire. Is Alfred the son of Frederick Augustus by a previous marriage? Could he be a brother of Charles Simon? I can't find Frederick Augustus in 1881. Could he have been on an overseas posting? Of course, none of this matches Frederick's occupation of 'baker' from Charles' marriage certificate, but it's not quite impossible. Could he have worked as a baker in the Army?

Dottymay, can you post the part of Charles' marriage certificate that lists his mother's name, to see if we can decipher it?

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Re: Alice Fraser boarded out child at Benvie Farm cottage in 1911
« Reply #22 on: Wednesday 26 April 17 08:49 BST (UK) »
Thanks, Monica. Portsmouth and Brazil, eh? Quite an advance on 'he was English' and no information.

As it seems to have been me who stated above, I have looked again and realised that the fuller info was further down the page, but not in the summary. Obviously, I had a rare 'off-day', as I don't usually tend to miss such things, but at least I didn't have such an 'off-day' on the other useful finds I posted.

Isn't it great, though, that on Rootschat, there are many wonderful volunteers, who usually work well together as a 'team', and if one 'misses' something, another usually 'finds' it. After all, it's 'teamwork' that makes Rootschat great and there are none of us perfect.
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Re: Alice Fraser boarded out child at Benvie Farm cottage in 1911
« Reply #23 on: Wednesday 26 April 17 10:03 BST (UK) »
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Registration District 496: Year: 1947, Page 18, Entry 23

Name: Donald Cameron Fulton (75)
Occupation: Machine Driller (Retired)

Date/Time of Death: 21 January 1947 at 1.55 am
Place of Death: 12 Allan Place, Dumbarton
Cause of Death: Myocarditis as certified by Gerald O'Connor,
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Father: John Fulton, Trunk Maker (Deceased)
Mother: Jane Fulton (m.s. Cameron) (Deceased)

Informant: Henrietta Fulton (Daughter) (Present)
Date/Place Registered: 21 January 1947, Dumbarton
Registrar: N. McAllister

Marital Status: Married
1) Euphemia MacDonald
2) Williamina Stewart

as found at https://www.ancestry.co.uk/boards/topics.cemetery.uk.scotland.scotland/60.2/mb.ashx


Again, provided it is the correct Williamina, the children to the first marriage of Williamina could have been boarded out/placed in industrial school, simply because the second husband, who already had children by his first wife, would not agree to/could not afford to take responsibility for them.

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Re: Alice Fraser boarded out child at Benvie Farm cottage in 1911
« Reply #24 on: Wednesday 26 April 17 10:51 BST (UK) »
Latest, Williamina married Donald Cameron Fulton (36) both 4 Overburn Terrace, Dumbarton and both widowed on 30/11/1908 in Glasgow, she is listed as Housekeeper domestic servant. how do I post a copy of Charles's marriage certificate please

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Re: Alice Fraser boarded out child at Benvie Farm cottage in 1911
« Reply #25 on: Wednesday 26 April 17 11:19 BST (UK) »
Charles's marriage certificate
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Re: Alice Fraser boarded out child at Benvie Farm cottage in 1911
« Reply #26 on: Wednesday 26 April 17 11:43 BST (UK) »
Margaret's surname looks like Kinnarney to me, but I can't find a remotely possible death for her.
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