Gregg/Grigg/Grieg family in 1841 Census - possibly for Oldbury, then in Staffs

[johneowens]

I am looking for my 2nd gt grandmother Amplias nee Gregg and would like some help. The spelling of her given name is often corrupted in records

Amplias was baptised at Tipton Parish Church 21 August 1831 "daughter of John & Mary Grigg of Oldbury". John was a jobbing smith (Tipton PRs No. 536, 1831). That should make her 10 yo in 1841. Searches in Ancestry and FindMyPast, however, yield no results no matter how many variations in name.

In the 1851C, "Amplice Gregg or Grigg" is a servant with the Webb family at Flash, Oldbury, Worcestershire, England - Note the change of county. Ref. HO107/2024/444/p.35

20 June 1852, "Amplice Gregg" married Edward Yieveley at Kings Norton, Worcestershire (actually, North Harborne Parish Church, Smethwick, Staffordshire). The certifcate lists her father John (a blacksmith) as dead by this time. Both Amplice and Edward are listed as OTP.

Any help finding the family in the 1841C much appreciated.

Many thanks

Best

John

[Milliepede]

Do you know if she had any brothers and sisters?  To give us more names to look for in 1841.

Amplice is a name I haven't heard before most unusual.

[johneowens]

Thanks for your interest, Milliepede.

Unfortunately, this is one of those situations where the 1841C is vital, complicated by Oldbury being in a large urban area and located in two different counties at different times (Staffs and Worcs). As you see, I have Amplias in the 1851 but by this time, she is working away from home.

I just did a search on Ancestry for any Grigg or Gregg baptisms between 1820 and 1835 and came up with:

William bapt Oldbury, Worcs 28 Oct 1821 - father John, mother Mary.
Joseph bapt Oldbury, Worcs 2 Nov 1823 - father John, mother Mary.
Job bapt Oldbury, Worcs 5 Feb 1826 - father John, mother Mary.
Henry bapt Oldbury, Worcs 5 Feb 1826 - father John, mother Mary.

Although some or all of these baptisms are in Oldbury, I have no evidence that any of them are Amplias' siblings.

Any help, much appreciated.

Best

John

[Milliepede]

Thanks for that.  Will have a look for those names just in case but as you say they could be unrelated.

I wonder what happened to her mother as father died before A married.  She could be orphaned somewhere on her own in 1841  or with mum and a new husband.

[johneowens]

Thanks, again, Milliepede.

The further I go into this, the greater the mysteries. I also cannot find John and Mary's marriage - although if the possible siblings I sent are theirs, the first sibling's baptism would give the strongest indication of date.

I've also checked the subsequent censuses and cannot find any that fit (and Mary is not living with Amplias and her new family in 1861, 1871, 1881, of 1891, even though they lived in Oldbury). So, maybe Amplias' mother died soon after Amplias' marriage in 1852.

Also cannot find any marriage of a Mary Gregg/Grigg/Grieg in the area after 1852.

The plot thickens without any sign of light.

Best

John

[Milliepede]

Yes it's a toughie.  I did find a Job age 15 in 1841 but he was in Shropshire - and born in County - on his own so no help there.

The other boys nothing too precise age wise but again in Shropshire so possibly a separate family.  Those were Grigg though not Gregg.

Hmmm can't think what else to try.  Marriage witnesses? 

[johneowens]

Yes, I saw those in Salop but, as you say, probably another family.

The witnesses to Amplias' marriage shown on the certificate were John and Mary Anne Clarke although the FindMyPast record (apparently the GRO's) shows Sarah Bennett and James Phillips. None of these names, however, seems to be helpful.

Best

John

[Milliepede]

A family tree has a census for John and Mary in 1851 Bromsgrove with 5 children so John hasn't died yet - if that census is correct and the 5 children are siblings.

Sarah
Thomas
Isaac
John
James

Don't know if that is right for your family. 

[trish1120]

Baptism;
JOSEPH Grigg, 2 Nov 1823,  Christ Church, Oldbury, Worcestershire
Parents JOHN/MARY
Fathers Occp Smith**

+ WILLIAM Grigg 28 Oct 1821 Same Church and Parents, Fathers Occp Jobing Smith*

Possible Marriage;
26 Nov 1820, St Thomas, Dudley
John GRIGG to Mary SHELDON
Bachelor/Spinster

JOB is there also fathers Occp Jobing Smith

All on FreeREG

So all look like Siblings to me.

Trish