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The Mann Family- Traders in Belfast from Scotland
« on: Thursday 27 April 17 00:14 BST (UK) »
My Great great Grand Mother was  Mary Archer (Mann) Enniskillen   who had married Joseph Mann (Glasgow) they moved to Belfast and established a clothes /Pawnbroker business in Belfast . They raised a family of 12 (7 boys  and 5 Girls)
The eldest was John who went to Australia  and Bill (William ) went to Sea   and remained a seaman all through his life. All the boys were educated in St Malachys College Belfast Joseph and Francis both were married ,Frank married Annie Lavery  from King Street and Hollywood Co Down . They also had a linen shop in Castle street in Belfast which was destroyed in an air raid in 1942. Another sister married a Tom Murtagh (Publican) and Kate married Joseph McGennety who worked in an engineering firm in Combe Harbour, while Susan and Elizabeth  didnt Marry.  Joseph lived with Mary at 7 William street south and after his death Susan and Joe  maintained the business. The Girls were all educated in a private school in Arthur street and afterwards at the Mercy convent in Sussex Place.  Their youngest daughter was Mary ( great grand mother) who married  Daniel Lavery who was an only son of the second marriage of  Edmund  Lavery . He had a sister called Margeret. His mother was a Catherine Murphy who was a widow at an early age. Edmund Lavery was a waste Merchant and educated at St Bedes  College Manchester, England and later at Terenure College in Dublin .
Daniel and Mary Lavery had 6 children  Mary Josephine (Dodo) Edmund Benidict(Teddy) Aileen Agnes , Maurice , Margeret Patricia (Patsy), Catherine Agatha. 
Teddy joined the Army and served in the  great war 1914-18 . Patsy married John Herbert Gallagher and had 4 children   Ian ,Maurice,Michael and Patricia . Maurice became a  renowned top  surgeon  in Ireland  he married Deborah Lees  and died in 1962.
  Most of my family connections  are from central Belfast . Please  let me know if any of these connections  relate to your family .

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Re: The Mann Family- Traders in Belfast from Scotland
« Reply #1 on: Thursday 27 April 17 01:42 BST (UK) »
Hi Brian,

Welcome to rootschat  ;)

A great story so far but.......missing the essentials, the dates?

Annie
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Re: The Mann Family- Traders in Belfast from Scotland
« Reply #2 on: Thursday 27 April 17 01:42 BST (UK) »
If you add birth dates or marriages we can help you find records .

Are you just looking for relatives or do you want more facts about the Mann's ?

Good luck and welcome to the boards
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Re: The Mann Family- Traders in Belfast from Scotland
« Reply #3 on: Thursday 27 April 17 07:43 BST (UK) »
Widow Mary Mann (born Glasgow) & daughters Susan & Gertrude in Bangor not Belfast in 1901-
www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Down/Bangor/Perspect_Road/1253251

Susan Mann, daughter of Joseph Mann (pawnbroker) & Mary Archer, born 1878 at 4 Montgomery St., Belfast-
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1878/02980/2091937.pdf

1911- Susan & sister Gertrude (both wardrobe dealers) in Belfast-
www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Antrim/Cromac/Donegall_Pass/159410

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Re: The Mann Family- Traders in Belfast from Scotland
« Reply #4 on: Thursday 27 April 17 07:59 BST (UK) »
Elizabeth Mann born 1880, parents Joseph Mann (pawnbroker) & Mary Seargison-
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1880/02854/2046000.pdf

Probate- Mann, Elizabeth Gertrude of 49 Wellington Park Belfast spinster died 2 March 1961 Probate Belfast 31 July to Mary Josephine Lavery spinster. Effects £5959 16s. 7d.

Joseph Mann died 1898 age 73- address 4 William St. South, informant was son Joseph Mann, 126 Donegall Pass
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1898/05815/4646411.pdf

Mary Mann, widow of Joseph Mann (pawnbroker) died at daughter Kate Megannity's-
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1905/05605/4576062.pdf

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Re: The Mann Family- Traders in Belfast from Scotland
« Reply #5 on: Thursday 27 April 17 14:26 BST (UK) »
Maurice became a  renowned top  surgeon  in Ireland  he married Deborah Lees  and died in 1962.
Maurice died 1961. Probate- Lavery, Maurice Basil of 54 Wellington Park Belfast consultant surgeon died 9 December 1961 at saint John's Nursing Home Belfast Probate Belfast 6 June to Deborah Lavery the widow. Effects £23147 16s. 2d.

Lavery Daniel of 49 Wellington Park Belfast retired director died 3 September 1942 Administration Belfast 12 November to Mary Josephine Lavery spinster. Effects £637 7s.
Lavery Agnes of 49 Wellington Park Belfast widow died 16 January 1951 Probate Belfast 18 September to Maurice Lavery fellow of the Royal college of surgeons. Effects £937 16s. 1d.


Which brings me to Agnes Mann (not Mary) married Daniel Lavery- her sister Mary Josephine Mann married Thomas F. Murtagh.

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Re: The Mann Family- Traders in Belfast from Scotland
« Reply #6 on: Thursday 27 April 17 14:40 BST (UK) »
Joseph Mann (c1825 Glasgow-1898 Belfast), pawnbroker, m. Mary Archer (c1835 Glasgow?-1904 Belfast)
1851 census- 25 Butcher Row, Dundee, Angus: visitor Joseph Mann, 25, born Glasgow, traveller clothes. In household of Peter McLearney
Death (1898) Joseph https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1898/05815/4646411.pdf
Death (1904) Mary https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1905/05605/4576062.pdf
1. John Mann (1856 Glasgow) birth https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FQVT-7VF
2. William/Bill Mann (bapt.1858 Belfast)
3. Joseph Mann (bapt.1861 Belfast-aft.1911) m.(1888) Margaret/Maggie Martin
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1888/10781/5931928.pdf www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Antrim/Windsor_Ward/Donegall_Pass/975462
www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Antrim/Cromac/Cromac_Street/159139
? Mann Joseph of 57 Knockeden Park Belfast merchant died 6 August 1955 Probate Belfast 4 July to Herbert Watson cashier. Effects £1629 10s. 9d.
4. Mary Josephine Mann (bapt.1864 Belfast) m.(1889) Thomas F. Murtagh spirit merchant
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1889/10731/5912676.pdf
5. Thomas Mann (bapt.1866 Belfast)
6. Agnes Mann (c1869) m.(1895) Daniel Lavery
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1895/10524/5833148.pdf
www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Antrim/Cromac/Donegall_Pass_/969010
www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Antrim/Windsor_Ward/Wellington_Park/170522
7. Francis/Frank Mann (c1870-aft.1901) m. Annie Lavery www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Down/Pottinger/Albertbridge_Road/1214397
8. Catherine “Kate” Mann (c1871) m.(1892) Joseph Meganeity (c1870)
1892 + 1903- engineer, 1900-furniture dealer
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1892/10631/5873309.pdf
www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Down/Pottinger/Albertbridge_Road/1214349
www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Down/Pottinger__part_of_/Albertbridge_Road/219725  (10 ch./8 liv.)
9. Susan Mann (1878) Susanna B. Mann bapt.1878 Belfast
10. Elizabeth Gertrude Mann (1880-1961) Gertrude Elizabeth Mann bapt.1880 Belfast
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Re: The Mann Family- Traders in Belfast from Scotland
« Reply #7 on: Wednesday 04 October 17 16:18 BST (UK) »
Hi Brian,

Welcome to rootschat  ;)

A great story so far but.......missing the essentials, the dates?

Annie
Hi Brian,

Welcome to rootschat  ;)

A great story so far but.......missing the essentials, the dates?

Annie

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Re: The Mann Family- Traders in Belfast from Scotland
« Reply #8 on: Wednesday 04 October 17 16:31 BST (UK) »
Hi Brian, my great grandparents were Joseph Mann and Mary (Archer) Mann. My grandparents were Joseph and Catherine(Kate Mann) Megannety. She had her own business in furniture and antiques by 29. She was married at 21. After husbands death in 1898 she remarried widower John (Johnnie) McGurk also a furniture dealer who built the Victorian tearooms, The Eagle's nest on Bray Head, Co. Wicklow.  They married in 1938 in Enniskerry, co. Wicklow. He died in 1941 and the Eagles next sold in 1942. She died in 1945 but we do not know where. I would imagine she would have returned to Belfast as she had an unmarried son and daughter living there. Can't find her place of burial. Lovely to get all the info re Mann family. Being a pawn broker, I often wondered was there a Jewish history way back. I have 7.6 Eastern European dna!  Mary Archer died in 1904 and death very stayed that Kate my grandmother was present.