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East London Romanies - SMITHERS/JUDD
« on: Friday 28 April 17 10:15 BST (UK) »
Having discovered I have 75% of my DNA matches as Romany, I am now trying to work out where in my family they originated. I have matches with Boswell, Lee, Smith, Scamp, Jackson. My grandmother was a Smithers from Lambeth, her mother a Judd and her mother a Bowley and her mother a Jennings from Buckinghamshire. Can anyone confirm a Romany link please?

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Re: East London Romanies - SMITHERS/JUDD/JOPSON
« Reply #1 on: Friday 28 April 17 17:35 BST (UK) »
None of those names are listed in The Book of Bob.
GAITES (Alverstoke / Bath Pre 1850)
CURTIS (Portsmouth & 1800's Berkshire).
BURGE (Dorset, Somerset and Hampshire)
HUNTLEY (Dorset, Hampshire, Sussex, 'Surroundings')

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Re: East London Romanies - SMITHERS/JUDD/JOPSON
« Reply #2 on: Friday 28 April 17 21:46 BST (UK) »
Thank you

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Re: East London Romanies - SMITHERS/JUDD/JOPSON
« Reply #3 on: Friday 28 April 17 22:06 BST (UK) »
Hi it might confirm or deny a Romany link if you could provide the name/year/pob of the Grandmother Smithers with mothers maiden name Judd?
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Pelly/Pelley/Kingsbury/Challis/Nalder/Rochester/Raydenbow

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Re: East London Romanies - SMITHERS/JUDD/JOPSON/GUDGEON/WARREN/ELL
« Reply #4 on: Saturday 29 April 17 07:02 BST (UK) »
Florence Louisa Smithers b. 1889
Emma Louisa Judd b. 1857
Mary J Bowley b. 1836
Peggy Jennings abt 1812 Buckinghamshire
Eliza Ann Jopson b. 1832
Eliza Gudgeon b. 1803 Caddington, Bedfordshire

I have the Romany DNA, but just cannot find the relevant relatives! A friend is helping with my tree. This was the only branch of the family I never knew anything about.

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Re: East London Romanies - SMITHERS/JUDD
« Reply #5 on: Saturday 29 April 17 13:53 BST (UK) »
Hi is this Florence in 1891?

Robert Smithers 30 occ Engine Driver Brewery b Lambeth
Emma 35 b St Pancras
Robert 11 b Westminster
Willie 8 b Westminster
Harry 4 b Westminster
FLORA 2 b Westminster
Residing at Castle Buildings, Castle Lane, Westminster
Census ref RG12/82/155/27

Marriage 30th October 1881 Emmanuel, Camberwell

Robert William Alfred George Smithers 21 occ Labourer Father Robert John Smithers occ Labourer
Emma Louisa Judd 23 Father William Judd occ Coal Porter
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Pelly/Pelley/Kingsbury/Challis/Nalder/Rochester/Raydenbow

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Re: East London Romanies - SMITHERS/JUDD
« Reply #6 on: Saturday 29 April 17 13:59 BST (UK) »
Yes, this is her. I remember being told he worked for Watneys Brewery

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Re: East London Romanies - SMITHERS/JUDD
« Reply #7 on: Saturday 29 April 17 15:28 BST (UK) »
TG; Just a blind shot. But; What other names have ye got? Surnames alone might actually provide us with a better clue than anything ye think about the people behind them. Could at least provide a clue.
GAITES (Alverstoke / Bath Pre 1850)
CURTIS (Portsmouth & 1800's Berkshire).
BURGE (Dorset, Somerset and Hampshire)
HUNTLEY (Dorset, Hampshire, Sussex, 'Surroundings')

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Re: East London Romanies - SMITHERS/JUDD
« Reply #8 on: Saturday 29 April 17 16:38 BST (UK) »
Jopson, Gudgeon, Ell, Warren,

Gudgeon went back to Caddington in Bedfordshire

Eliza Ann Jopson married Stephen Judd, William Collins and Matthew Annan

Lovells and Hearn married into the family, but not my direct line