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Re: East London Romanies - SMITHERS/JUDD
« Reply #9 on: Saturday 29 April 17 16:49 BST (UK) »
Gudgeon / Kent. Warren / London. Neither has a date. But, they're names that have been given by Gypsys, somewhere along the line.

Lovell and Hearn?! Christ! Well, there's a big pointer. Why would they want to do with anyone else?

Not your direct line? No. But, Someone. Do ye know who? Only, if someone was interesting enough to those people? Those same someones had already found an interest in Your people. See? We need to join the dots  ;)
GAITES (Alverstoke / Bath Pre 1850)
CURTIS (Portsmouth & 1800's Berkshire).
BURGE (Dorset, Somerset and Hampshire)
HUNTLEY (Dorset, Hampshire, Sussex, 'Surroundings')

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Re: East London Romanies - SMITHERS/JUDD
« Reply #10 on: Saturday 29 April 17 17:06 BST (UK) »
Hi Emma Louisa Judd was b c 1857 St Pancras,  at marriage she gives her father as William Judd, not Stephen.

Emma Louisa Judd March qtr 1857 St Pancras V1b page 165 mmn Jobson

Marriage 21st April 1862 St Pancras, Old St Pancras

Stephen Judd occ Office Clerk Father Stephen Judd occ Coal??

Eliza Ann JOBSON father James Jobson. occ Brewer
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Re: East London Romanies - SMITHERS/JUDD
« Reply #11 on: Saturday 29 April 17 19:16 BST (UK) »
Hi followed Eliza Ann Jobson/Jopson back to 1841/51 her father was dead as
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Marriage 3rd November 1840 St Leonard,  Shoreditch

Geoge Allen Ordish Bachelor occ Merchants Clerk Father Edward Ordish occ Farmer
Eliza JOPSON Widow Father Wm Gudgeon occ Brewer

1841 census

George Allen 30 Not born in County
Eliza 35 Not born in County
John Gudgeon 70 Not born in County
Eliza Jobson 8
Wm Jobson 7
Mary Ann Jobson 3
Thomas Pearce 40 Not born in County
Residing at Macclesfield Street, St Luke, Middlesex
Census ref HO107/666/ 3/23/ 6

The fact that at present the families not only by their occupations but ease of locating via census suggests the link is way back?
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Re: East London Romanies - SMITHERS/JUDD
« Reply #12 on: Saturday 29 April 17 19:50 BST (UK) »
We are working on checking facts. Thank you for the info :)

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Re: East London Romanies - SMITHERS/JUDD
« Reply #13 on: Saturday 29 April 17 20:55 BST (UK) »
We are working on checking facts. Thank you for the info :)

So just what are the facts, all that has been supplied or a 75% Romany DNA?

What has been located prior to say the 1841 census?
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Re: East London Romanies - SMITHERS/JUDD
« Reply #14 on: Saturday 29 April 17 21:10 BST (UK) »
75% of my DNA matches are Romany.

We have back to William Gudgeon b. 1745 Caddington, Beds married to Ann Warren b. 1843 Luton, Beds

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Re: East London Romanies - SMITHERS/JUDD
« Reply #15 on: Saturday 29 April 17 21:21 BST (UK) »
For 75% of your matches to be Romany I would think there would be more than one distant Romany ancestor.

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Re: East London Romanies - SMITHERS/JUDD
« Reply #16 on: Saturday 29 April 17 21:26 BST (UK) »
I googled Jopson and found 2 who had married Smiths who were Romanies. Not it my tree, but just out there. So clearly there was a Romany connection.

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Re: East London Romanies - SMITHERS/JUDD
« Reply #17 on: Saturday 29 April 17 21:31 BST (UK) »
I googled Jopson and found 2 who had married Smiths who were Romanies. Not it my tree, but just out there. So clearly there was a Romany connection.

😂Did you also Google JOBSON,?
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